What would you like to bet that NEMSA right now is checking with AIMOO.COM on how to block certain people from accessing their site. I have only pasted the words of the very founder of that association and that site. The very words they cannot tolerate seeing on their own website.
Hey Rod They have as of today banned me from the site! I'm out! They couldn't handle me bringing up the fact they failed to listen to the members when we told them we needed more information about NEMSA if we were to give them 55 bucks a month! I guess also they couldn't handle me pointing out their poor leadership skill/tactics. oh well. -nate
Dear Rod, Thank you very much for making it possible for many of us to view the beliefs and psychotic imagery of NEMSA co-founder Tim Bonifay. Many of my co-workers have had the oppurtunity to view it as well. It is certainly disturbing. I'm glad to see now that the vote was extended to a few weeks ago, rather then way back in the spring. We would have never seen any of this crazy behavior from NEMSA, until after we voted them in, which would have been devistating. I appreciate your commitment that every member deserves to see the truth, no matter how ugly. I also agree that if needed, Tim's email, along with some questionable emails from Torren, should be posted in plain view of members. Aside from all that, I also hope people will begin to see that it is time to let these obsessive "founders and leaders" go lead themeselves into jail via violation of a restraining order. Well I guess it is time to start our relections of stewards and chief stewards, I am very excited about this, we have much work to do, but exciting work.
It won't be long before I am banned for voicing my opposition as well. The clock is ticking.
Food for thought if NEMSA were to be voted in....an association made up of a board that has no intention whatsoever of listening to its members. An organization that suppresses the thoughts and concerns of those it would represent. A group that is doing everything it can to cover-up for Tim Bonifay, including deleting my attempts to paste his comments on his own website, where it really belongs to begin with.
The best thing NEMSA could do to save what little credibility it has is to fire him. This letter is going to get out, that I can assure you. It obviously has done nothing to sway hardcore NEMSA supporters, but the majority of our members, including those that voted for NEMSA, will be disgusted and turned off by it.
I just recently responded to Tracy Sardad on the NEMSA site. She did say she would not defend his letter. Well, it's a start I guess. Now I would like to hear her say what really needs to be said about this individual. But, she can't. This would be a statement against the co-founder of NEMSA. It would shatter the very foundations of that organization. So, she, like the rest of them, have so far turned away from it and pretend it doesn't exist. I find that also very disturbing.
The majority of people I believe are not psychotic, just a few are. This is why I believe MOST people will realize what a joke NEMSA and its staff are. I am one of the few that actually believe most people are good people, so we will just have to wait and see. Meanwhile we will be moving forward with IAEP as representation. I truly believe those who are too pridefull to participate in the building of this new local, will have no place to critizise it later. It is up to us to make this local what we want of it. I mean in all reality, it should always matter what banner we use, be it NEMSA, IAEP, 250, or The union of Mickey Mouse, we should make what we want of it. The benefit we have by being a part of 250 and IAEP, is the obvious financial resources, along with help of people all across the country, and also the use of already in place, well versed IAEP lawyers. IAEP has a great tract record of winning what seem to be unwinable arbitrations. I am looking forward to being a part of it. I hope other will feel the same.
I think this sums up your position historically, but the nemsa inner circle can't separate your comments due to their egomania. When you call people to reason together, that is your call to the members as a whole. When you attack insanity, its to the few spouting it.
Have you stopped twisting that knife in Steve Brook's back yet?
So tough guy. I fully expect when you see Stacy, Dave Turner, Dary, or Torren that you keep this same tough guy attitude. Because you see, you to turn into this shaking little Nancy boy when you are not all safe behind your computer screen. I trust that is what you do with AMR as well. You see Nate, we NEMSA supporters can stand on our own; we don't need mommy Erin or Daddy Dan to protect us. Your pack mentality screams weakness and intellectual bankruptcy. You gang up because you are weak. Weak willed; weak hearted; and weak minded. That is why your behaviors are schizophrenic Nate. Behind the keyboard you are super Nate with all the tough Guy slams, but in public you are a docile little 12 year old who lost Their Mommy. Quit playing games Nate be the tough guy in public. If you are the great leader that you think you are then redneck up, lets see if you got the stones little guy. We know that you are capable of being a world class coward by stabbing Brooks in the back, now lets see if you can take the heat.
Oh, and just so you know. Not all of us in Santa Cruz are your Buddies Nathaniel; keep that in mind when you go parading this post around. You also better check yourself when you are wearing the white shirt and using AMR's computers to post there little man.
I think you are confusing "Nancy boy" behavior with what is called manners, ablity to exchange ideas and gather information in a nonhostile way... but then those ARE words that you've once again proved the need for a dictionary.... Borders books has a large selection I hear.....
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I sincerely look forward to working with you, Rod, Erin and many of the other 2400 AMR employees in establishing our own local within the IAEP. As I said in a previous post, we must be a union of inclusion, not exclusion. We must encourage people, especially those who initially supported NEMSA to join us. The IAEP will be our recognized bargaining unit, (like it or not). Hopefully, when Medic One realizes that NEMSA lost a legitimate NLRB election, he will stop with his words of anger and frustration and direct his energies to a more productive direction by helping us become a union he too can be proud of.
Medic One, may I suggest that as you are working with NEMSA to fight for it's current members, you keep any sharp implements away from Tim. <just a thought>
Wow, Medic One sure is trying to hard. I suggest getting a new hobby which is different then personaly insulting people. I would like to state that almost everything you write doesn't even make sense. It is hard to prove your point when you are just using random insults. I would honestly like to know what your big problem with me is. Is having a difference of opinion resolved by personaly insulting people. I'm not sure why you feel the need to create such a high school like enviornmet, I suggest you grow up a bit. Maybe it kills you to know there are actually young people out there voicing their opinions. I'm also not sure what me being an alternate supervisor has to do with anything. Many shop stewards are, even Steve is. I had a converstation with Steve the other night about union stuff, our conversations are always pleasant, Steve is an awesome guy, I'm his number one fan here in SC. This doesn't mean I have to agree with him on everything, but I respect him very much and hope he finds time to participate in whatever we chose to build. You seem to have a vested interest in mine and Steves relationship. Well I suggest you actually come here one day and see how 2 mature people with some differences actually interact. I will admit that not all employees here have been always kind to him, but I back Steve 100%, even if we don't always agree. See none of us here are actually thinking this union stuff is worth personaly insulting each other for. Moving onto your comment about Dary, Stacy, Dave. Well I took it upon myself to go beyond all the message board crap, and actually have face to face conversations with these people. Some were very stand off-ish at first, and some werent. In the end we agreed on some things, and disagreed on others. You act like it was our mistake for listening to Dave T when he talked about people profiting off NEMSA. I think it is awesome that he later called me and corrected himself, but are you actually saying that we had no right to be concerned? That would be foolish on our part. To be honest medic one, what is your ultimate goal here? What are you trying to acomplish, more division? More angry people? Well know that when you try to speak for Santa Cruz, your not, because you don't work here, or live here, and people are no longer listening to your nonsense here. If you are trying to create hostility between me and Steve, its not gonna work, because I think that guy is awesome! I will always hope he keeps it in the back of his head me asking him not resign as shop steward, because I was honestly saddened by it. But at the same I respected his reasons, which when communicated to me were because of wanting to dedicate more time to his family, he lives out of the area, and also he felt conflicts with L250. As for using the work computer to post messages, I'm trying to figure out whats wrong with that? Nobody else uses the computer at work to post messages? Hmmm, ok... Also who in particular am I ganging up on? You are just upset that a boy out of Santa Cruz actually went out of his way to try and get the IAEP information out there in the last few weeks. Most likely while we were out meeting other employees and sharing ideas, you were sitting around typing on the NEMSA message board instead of sacrificing your time off to actually talk with members, and share idea's with people no matter what their opinions were. I didn't go over to Santa Clara (where I was greated very coldly) on my day off to have fun. It was very uncomfortable at first, and definitely took some guts. My purpose of that trip was because I felt so strongly that we as members should be communicating in real time, not just throwing insults at each other on a message board. I was very impressed at the stewards willingness to participate in the conversation after we broke the ice. When we were there I had the oppurtunity to see that in all reality we all want the same thing, just have different avenues of getting there. Something you probably don't realize as possible is the ability to have a conversation and have a difference of opinion without insulting people. Oh by the way, why are you so scared to say who you are? You know we don't even take you seriously because of that right? Maybe if you were actually posing good questions, and not just insulting, then would it be more appropriate to not sign your name, but its pretty cowardly the way you act. But I'll tell you what, just to satisfy your cravings, I will sit down with Steve this upcomming week and show him everything you have written about me and him, and I will let him know I had no intention of "stabbing" him in the back just because I had a difference of opinion. I am confident we can go about our disagreements a little more maturaly than how you deal with things. I don't believe in personaly insulting Steve, that is lame. I understand Medic One, that you are very scared to say who you are, and I also understand how upset you are about NEMSA not being our represenation. I do have to admit though, you truly are making NEMSA look worse, because most people see what you write and immediately associate it with NEMSA. That is not fair to NEMSA, even I do not believe NEMSA stands for behavior like yours. NEMSA was created so every member could have a voice, what happened to that ideal? Can we only have a voice as long as we agree with everything and don't ask questions? -Nate
"Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same, to conquer was his goal. So he built his great empire and slaughtered his own kind, then he died a confused man, killed himself with his own mind. We're only gonna die from our own arrogance."-Bad Religion (medic one should start listening to them...)
Staying with the positive note that Nate has done, I would really like to match names and faces at the next leadership conference. I had heard that it was set for November, but I don't have that confirmed.
This is what I look forward to, establishing our local, a free democratic vote on board members and shop stewards, and unification amongst us.
I see this being a lot of work, but fun work. The more we are involved, the more say you have. I hope we can have some constructive input from people previously attached to NEMSA.
I'll do whatever I have to to be there. I hope I see all of you there. I have never been involved with the advent of a new local, and I for one am excited about the future.
It would be nice to see this forum continue. One of the problems we have had in the past is lack of communication between shop stewards from county to county. Maybe there could be room for a stewards forum here so all grievances can be posted amongst the stewards (obviously the aggrieved has privacy rights so it would have to have limited access). This would give stewards an opportunity to share ideas or past practices/experiences of similar situations that would be beneficial to the steward filing the grievance. This is just one of many ideas I've had. I know you folks out there have many many more.
Rod thats an awesome idea, just imagine if all these posts we have been posting were actually regarding labor/management issues, we would be way more on top of things! I hope we can keep this emsnorcal webpage and use it to share positive ideas, and help support each other. Medic One was trying to make fun of me for utilizing people like you and erin, and dan for help in getting questions answered and other stuff. Honestly I'm not sure where this is such a bad thing, shouldn't we all be doing this? I honestly think we will be stronger by helping each other out. -nate
