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STRIFE · Senior Member

What do you guys think about these "

micp879 · Veteran Member

It sure is funny how according to good ol NEMSA, anyone who works in CoCo is now suddenly part of this supposed evil ploy to hide this transition to IAEP. First they just claimed that Rod was secretly campaigning to be a IAEP big wig. Then they insulted Bill a few times. Then we were the county that was unexplainably pro 250, that just "followed Bill and Rod blindly." Now NEMSA has chosen to claim that we are part of this alleged premeditated evil plot. This is so childish.

Ya know what, they must be on to us. We dont have ACLS, BTLS, PEPP, et al like everyone else does. When you guys are all going to your recert classes, we are actually all meeting, all several hundred of us, deciding how we can make secretive moves to other unions without telling anyone. I was sitting there wearing a "I hate Medic Dumb" shirt, and someone across from me was wearing one that said "Its "Thyme" to get rid of Vernon." We all then went outside and had a smoke with our buddys at the NLRB, because after all, they are in on this with us. Dang it, those NEMSA guys are too quick for us.

Hmm, I guess I should just be thankful that as a CoCo medic, we have made the big time...me and my coworkers are on the front page of the NEMSA website.

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

I think that their manipulation tactics worked. These charges were filed after NEMSA sent out a letter, asking for support. How can they actually sit there and say the members filed this charge, not NEMSA? These members were NEMSA advocates who filed the charge and only after a letter from NEMSA was sent out.

It is also funny how all of the spokespeople were huge NEMSA supporters. Weren't each and every one of those listed above, also offered a job? I guess I would be pretty upset if my carreer with NEMSA was just lost as well.

Another thing. They sit there and complain that only two people spoke for the entire bargaining unit and that was who decided that a service agreement should take place. However, it is okay to have a hand full of NEMSA supporters file an objection. Now, isn't this hypocritical!! It is not okay for two people to speak for all of Northern California, but it is okay for a few slim pickin's to decide? UMMMMMMMMMM, okay.

The labor board is absolutely right when they say, "that employees have a distinct right in selecting a labor representative of “their own choosing” not the choosing of SEIU." Well, THEY DID!!!! The vote was 660 to 604.

“We are standing behind the labor board charge and our position that IAEP is not legitimate.” Echoes Steve Riley; Chief Steward from San JoaquinCounty. -You can stand there crying those words all you want, but what happens when the Labor Board comes back and says that a SERVICE AGREEMENT is absolutely LEGAL???

“They purposely kept us out of any discussions in a decision that has a direct impact on all our lives.” Says Alis Shapiro; Shop Steward for Alameda County. -If you were that concerned Alis, maybe you should have been voicing your opinion in others areas, besides your own. Northern California was in an election that directly impacted our lives. Once again, must I reiterate, IAEP had more votes!!!!! Soooooooo, guess what, my friend?? You had every right to persuade other members of other counties, but you didn't. Therefore, the majority of them that voted, chose IAEP as the representatives.

Just as the upcoming Presidential election for these great United States will show, EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!!!!

-- Edited by TheCuteCat at 23:46, 2004-10-09

Old Rhino · Veteran Member

Cute cat you sit hear and praise the No.Cal vote (which didn’t concern you) yet you work against So.Cal having a right to vote. (Another vote that does not concern you) You are not even an AMR employee and you live in So.Cal. You where fired from the antelope valley operation, Why couldn’t IAEP save your job? You collect a paycheck from IAEP.....Gee, I wonder if your postings are accurate and unbiased....So, why don’t you stay the hell out of our business.

Vernon Thymes · Senior Member

Cute Cat and others,

How many times are you going to keep saying this garbage? Where on the ballot was IAEP?

I have asked this question over a dozen times and no one answers. They just say that IAEP won. What did they win? They were not on the ballot so what did they win?

It is a simple question, but Jerry's kids can't seem to figure it out.

Medic_One · Senior Member

Well well Nate,

Look who is the total hypocrite now. Mr. I took it upon myself to decide for everyone at the Emeryville holiday in meeting when you agreed for all of us that IAEP should be brought in. I guess its ok for you huh tough guy. Check around short bus and you will see that the other counties aren't with you. Your bid for high school prom king isn't working to well there Junior.

Be safe Nathaniel

Play with My Money · Senior Member

chickens**t.

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

Well, the Nor Cal vote did concern me, in that I as well as others, were explaining the benefits of the IAEP to the MEMBERS OF NOR CAL... We have had experience with the IAEP as well as no Union, and had every right to voice our opinions.

I don't work against So. Cal having a vote. The members DO NOT want a vote. I am not concerned if a vote were to happen. However, once again, I must reiterate, THEY DO NOT WANT A VOTE!!!! That is why they are signing the petitions. Why don't you come on down to So. Cal and stay awhile. I will show you the ropes, and then you can hear it for yourself that people on their own account, do not like Carlos and what he is trying to do now.

You are absloutely right. I am no longer an AMR employee, but I was for 6 years. I know how they operate and I know that when I was there, the IAEP did alot for our division. IAEP is in the process of saving my job and clearing my record. My arbitration was last month and I am pretty confident I will win. I didn't have to pay a dime for my arbitration. It had come out of my dues and I was represented by TWO lawyers that have had experience in these types of arbitrations.

So Aaron, why don't you stay out of MY business!

Guess what else you are wrong about, Aaron? I was NEVER promised a job. Something I wish I could say about certain NEMSA advocates.

Vernon, you are right. IAEP wasn't on the ballot, but it was quite clear that a vote for SEIU was a vote for the service agreement between SEIU and IAEP.

-- Edited by TheCuteCat at 11:43, 2004-10-13

paramatt · Veteran Member

I was hoping to enter these forums and see that we were all working together to form a better union.
This is not the first time my eternal optimism has lead me astray.

Lets see if I can help in getting things pointed in the right direction.

1) NEMSA supporters, your anger and bitterness is counter productive. Do you feel better making fun of "Jerry's kids" and those who ride in a "short bus"? You have shown no class and that's cost you your election. I hope that the "Be safe Nathaniel" comment was not a threat. Time to grow up.

2) YOU LOST. Turn the page.

3) If you have some ideas for the BI-laws, let's hear them.

That should do it.

Old Rhino · Veteran Member

Leha, You want me to stay out of your business then stay out of mine.....You have no business involved in the No.Cal union issues.....Get your job back with AMR and transfer up north then you can have a say in how things ought to be here.....

Play with My Money · Senior Member

This is interesting Rhino. Input from Boston was welcomed in the past, they weren't from NorCal. Carlos has always been welcomed by you, and 250 used to fly him up to our labor management meetings. He's not from NorCal. Do you not value EMS professionals from other areas? Do they have no value, or worthy input if they offer a difference of opinion?

Do you usually write people off who've been termed by AMR, and are in active arbritation to boot? Do you think the term must have been justified, because AMR did it?

micp879 · Veteran Member

I wonder if this is a sign of things to come from NEMSA and their supporters.

1) If you arent in a current Bargaining unit that they are actively pursuing, they have no intent of fighting for or defending you.

2) If AMR terminates you, it is automatically assumed to be a legitimate dismisal and NEMSA has no intent of investigating or fighting it.

Ya know, its funny. On the old NEMSA board, Rhino had no problem when Darcy Soledad's Wife was shooting her mouth off in support of NEMSA. Yet here we have an EMS Professional that just happens to be in a different area, and Rhino tells him to mind his own business. I know IAEP and SEIU arent perfect, but NEMSA needs to be doing things cleaner and better than the rest if they are going to be pointing fingers and making accusations against our current established representation. This double standard exhibited by Rhino falls far short. If there was a posting from someone outside of Northern California that was supporting NEMSA or degrading IAEP, I can promise you he wouldnt be telling that person to mind their own business.

Hypothetically if IAEP/SEIU wouldnt have worked out, and wouldve screwed things up down the road, I would have reconsidered and given NEMSA a serious look. But these hypocritical games that they (and their supporters) are playing have made me realize they wouldnt be an acceptable or trustworthy solution.

-- Edited by micp879 at 22:27, 2004-10-10

STRIFE · Senior Member

Medic One,
I am deeply sadened you were unable to pick up on the sarcasm of my post. I in no way am complaining about anything other then how it is funny that NEMSA is saying it was wrong for SEIU to sign a service agreement over to the IAEP without a vote, yet NEMSA is saying all the norcal members are in an uproar about it, and they are all filing objections. Try understanding what you read before your vomit back out what you think is logic.
Oh, and medic one, you should start being "safer" and stop molesting your fellow members, its really gross....... Aand your creepy to the max and you probably drive a child molester van with no windows and take a hike with the rest of your creepyness.
-peace out

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

Aaron,

It is LEAH..... L-E-A-H.. Since that was said, I don't even think I need to comment on your last post.

It is already clear to a few people how ridiculous it was.

One more thing, apparently if AMR terminates you, it is legitimate? Is that what you are saying? I just want to be clear. Maybe this is one more clue that AMR and NEMSA are working together.

I guess we should stay out of everyone else's business, Uh?

Then I would ask you to stay out of the North Hollywood issue!

Play with My Money · Senior Member

Did old rhino charge down to north hollywood in person? Is it true rhino's don't see very well?

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

Indeed he was here.. although he sat at the back of the class.. and I don't think Rhino's can see or hear very clearly if it is to be judged by the content( or lack there of) of his posts.....

Paramaniac · Senior Member

Aaron,

I guess we should start referring to IAEP supporters as " Jerry’s Kid’s".....Aaron Pelican

"Jerry's Kids"? Is that what you have decided to call your fellow EMT? It doesn't matter what union these people have decided to support, they are still your family. Then you turn around and have the audacity to advertise your involvement with the "Make a Wish Foundation"? The rhetoric coming from NEMSA does not even remotely add up to the image we want to project as EMS professionals. The never-ending insults from Medic One and Vernon. Is this what you had in mind for representation? It falls well short of what these people deserve. Aaron, what you really need to do is spend some time learning what muscular dystrophy is, and who it affects. This is a terrible familial disease that targets children with devastating effects. It is one thing to insult us, it is another to reference the suffering of children. As a father , I am again appalled by NEMSA's statements. Do I have to remind you of the sexual and homicidal ramblings of Tim Bonifay, NEMSA's co-founder? Considering the comments you made, NEMSA can make a charitable donation to the Muscular Dystrophy Association at www.mdausa.org. It's the least you could do.

To everyone else, I am looking forward to attending at least a few of the By-Laws cmte meetings and hopefully seeing a great turn-out. But these By-Laws will be written, and we will go forward with our plans, despite the obvious attempts by NEMSA to disrupt us at every turn. Early on, I had made a suggestion to call our local 660, to honor the 660 people that voted for us. These are the people, from all over the 19 No. Cal. counties, that said "yes" to IAEP, knowing full well of the service agreement they would be entering.

Looking forward to seeing all of you,

Rod Billings,

Shop Steward, IAEP

-- Edited by Paramaniac at 10:21, 2004-10-11

-- Edited by Paramaniac at 10:49, 2004-10-11

Forfend · Senior Member

Don't forget to check your short bus.

STRIFE · Senior Member

Do they have ham on the short bus?