I know that I am opening myself up to a kick in the groin from the NEMSA radicals but here it goes.
To truly become a card carrying union member, you need a card. Way back before dirt I was a cement mason. I will never forget how proud I was when I was hired by a union contractor and became an apprentice mason. I had worked for nonunion contractors and learned first hand how valuable union solidarity was. Receiving that card gave me a sense of security I had never seen. It was my key to an elite club. Sure, I was young and inspired, but who isn't when you become a member of such a proud craft. I kept that card on my rear view mirror for years. I got more then a few thumbs up from those who saw it. Unfortunately, there are some here that will never be proud or inspired by there craft or this union. I know of at least 660 who do not fit into that disgruntled category. Today, I am thinking of those people who do not work here, yet. These are the people who have been working 24 hour shifts and getting paid for 16 while making $8.00 per. I am quite sure that they couldn't care less who drives a Hummer and why. All they want is union protection and a card they can show Mom. Those are the people who will make this union great again. Let's give them a reason to be proud.
Well it figures. It doesn't matter how lame and illegitimate the union is as long as you have a card everything is all right. Well I guess NEMSA should have shown all the COCO people something shiny before the vote.
I could care less about a freaking union card. What does Torren always say? "No matter how much you dress up a turd it smells like crap" Go ahead with your union cards; it still doesn't change your impotent IAEP
1) NEMSA did not show Contra Costa s**t. We were never a part of your plans other then you were going to force us to change. Perhaps if they had the marbles to set foot in Contra Costa they might have coaxed a few votes. Then again, perhaps not.
2) It's not the shiny card that's important. It has everything to do with a sense of belonging. It's concrete evidence other then what you see on your paycheck. Torren knows this and used it. He gave the disgruntled a sense of belonging and a theme to rally around. I wonder how it must taste, coming so close only to fall short.
3) If IAEP is so impotent, why are you so concerned about a card? Power in Pride, perhaps.
Call IAEP what ever you want Medic. It still doesnt mean NEMSA will get our union dues. All the NEMSA supporters on this site have done nothing to help their cause with people on the fence. "Jerrys Kids" comments, letters desiring to hack people up, etc...you guys are really using your head when it comes to winning people over.
You need to look at the IAEP 250 supporters before you start jumoing on NEMSA people. i don't know about you, but "money shot", "hooked on phonics", "Twit" etc etc are not on the Pope's list of favorite phrases.
Torren was elevated to the POPE of the church of NEMSA??? was there a vote for that or what?
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Medic, I dont agree with everything that is said even on the IAEP side. Ive always felt that if someone wants there view to be seriously considered, they need to stay clear of insults and derogatory comments. That being said, I havent seen any IAEP people poke fun at people with MD, or threaten to hack people up. Those are in a class by themselves.
Keep in mind, NEMSA is trying to gain people's support. They need to be doing things to turn people to them, and thus far many of the posts are having a counterproductive effect, whether you want to admit it or not.
I'm not being derogatory.. seriously.. I want to know if Torren is now the Pope of the church of NEMSA..... And who voted him in.. because according to him.. when you vote for NEMSA on the ballot, it's a given that you're voting for him as the president ( I just checked my notes from the Stockin meeting prior to the vote..and that's what he said when asked how he was appointed pres. of NEMSA)
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
So tell me then. If a Bush supporter threatens someone does that mean Bush threatens someone? If a Lakers fan is an alcoholic does that mean the Lakers are alcoholics? This is the logic that the IAEP supporters are using to tear down NEMSA. NEMSA is not the thought or speech police and neither is IAEP so to say or imply that a supporter's comments and thoughts are the official positions of either organization is a non-logic based argument and displays a lack of intelligence.
Lack of intelligence? There go the personal insults again. Its more like a lack of literacy on your part. I said such statements by NEMSA supporters are counter productive. If a Bush supporter threatens someone, is it counter productive to the Bush campaign? Absolutely. If a Laker fan is shooting his mouth off about his beloved Lakers while intoxicated, is it counter productive as far as winning fans over to the Lakers? Of course.
Well when actual staff members like Tim B, Aaron pelican, and Torren are insulting people, then yes, that is an official NEMSA stance. These are supposed to be leaders medic one! Get that through your head for once! You and the rest have acted like bullies and immature people from the begining. We have had enough of your crap. Go find another local to badger, and let us get on with life. How lame of a mission statement, "Strength Through Service", what a Joke, none of us have seen it. Medic One, we are over it! NEMSA will never win the support of the members after what has happened over the last few months. To much propaganda, mudslinging, lies, and poor leadership. I don't even care how many times you say IAEP will never be excepted, lets just let time tell that story. Maybe not everyone will participate, But i'm willing to bet a good majority will.
So Mr. Claims that you cannot back up. Do you have any proof that those you call NEMSA staff are NEMSA staff? Proof Nate, not "my friend told me" or "I heard it when I played the back street boys backwards"
So, majority huh? COCO, Monterey, Santa Cruz does not constitute a majority there math wizard.
how many employees are there collectively in the counties of COCO, Santa Cruz, and Monterey vs. how many are in the vote of the collective barganing unit? Curiosity and all.....
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Medic one is referring to the service agreement argument, his record always skips there. FYI, "Twit" and "hooked on Phonics", started from nemsa advocates. "Money Shots", is an original here.
CoCo has about 300 members, 190 voted. Monterey has 150 members, 106 voted. Santa Cruz, I'm not sure, about 80 I think? Most voted.
Thank you very much! I wondered exactly how big they were, I figured they were quite large, COCO is HUUUUGE compared to this division! WOW!! that IS a large turn out rate for voting! More people then I thought from thos counties.... 446 votes.. not a bad days work I must admit... And a nice large chunk for either side no matter who you cut it................
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Well when actual staff members like Tim B, Aaron pelican, and Torren are insulting people, then yes, that is an official NEMSA stance. -Strife-
quote: Originally posted by: Medic_One "Wrong again Nathaniel, So Mr. Claims that you cannot back up. Do you have any proof that those you call NEMSA staff are NEMSA staff? Proof Nate, not "my friend told me" or "I heard it when I played the back street boys backwards" So, majority huh? COCO, Monterey, Santa Cruz does not constitute a majority there math wizard. Be safe Nathaniel "
Proof that Tim, Torren, and Aaron are NEMSA staff? Now I know you are delusional. Lets see, where to start. Torren is the President of NEMSA. Um, the proof I have is thats what it says on the NEMSA website. I hope thats proof enough. Oh yeah and he was the cofounder with that other guy Tim who was some sort of vice president/head contract negotiator/guy working behind the scenes (according to him) until the recent homocial threats came to light. He may or may not be associated with NEMSA now. And Aaron is attending meeting in North Hollywood in a division he doesnt work in, supporting a union that he is not a member of. I suppose that would make him a defacto representative for NEMSA. Getting a paycheck and representing someone are quite different. And for all we know Aaron might be getting paid by NEMSA. None of us are members so we are not privy to that kind of high ranking info. Getting reimbursed for food and mileage would be the least NEMSA could do for someone willing to spend time in SoCal drumming up business. Oh and thats Aaron himself who states he is down in LA going to meetings.
That would be the 3 people Nate was speaking of and the 3 people you wanted proof for. for a guy who know so much about everything I would think that you would know who the President of NEMSA is.
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They are trying to figure out how to erase the damage caused by their posts about Jerry's Kids and short bus comments.
You see, MDA has kids on short busses due to physical disability.
NEMSA caused some people to download and forward the damaging information to many charitable organizations around the country. It is now damage control time.
Guess NEMSA is going to need to rethink their political relationships.
Also, Alis stated to my face that she was the NEMSA secretary. The NEMSA card torren hands out also has his name on there as the president. What a burn Medic One!!! WHAT A BURN!!!!!!
quote: Originally posted by: Forfend "The brightest stars haven't been here tonight. They are trying to figure out how to erase the damage caused by their posts about Jerry's Kids and short bus comments. You see, MDA has kids on short busses due to physical disability. NEMSA caused some people to download and forward the damaging information to many charitable organizations around the country. It is now damage control time. Guess NEMSA is going to need to rethink their political relationships."
I love how you morons keep skipping over the fact that I posted what was the truth behind the jerry's kids comment...You choose to ignore that, because its the truth. Just like so many other facts all of you selectively leave out
Aaron, so why were you associating your fellow coworkers with Jerry Springer guests? Aren't Guests on the Jerry Springer show noted for being redneck white trash overweight identity crisis people? I could have sworn you guys kept refering that IAEP/L250 supporters were hippie-save the whale idiot-lefty liberals. Now next; When you say "Jerry's Kids", are you unaware of the group "Jerry's kids"? Why would you use that phrase and expect us not to think you were talking about kids with MD? I have never ever once heard that phrase associated with people from the hit TV show. I truly believe this is a time where you got called on something gross you did, and you truly cannot talk or weasel your way out of it. The least you could do is just admit you were frustrated, and chose a poor way to communicate it. We all do it at times, just not that horribly. Torren must be really mad, first his right hand man Tim B sends out that letter that just capped off what we all thought about NEMSA. Then Torren has to deal with his new sidekick who is going to Glendale to help him (YOU). I would surprise is Torren wasn't kinda disapointed in your "Jerry's Kids" comments. Or maybe your guys' twisted union reality it is cool to support make a wish, but then to heckle kids with MD. Ok lastly, Just so you know, none of us, not a one, believe you about how you were really talking about Jerry Springer. You are living in a altered reality if you think you are going to convince us otherwise. Either apologize, or just realize you screwed up. I guarantee there is not one person out there who read your comments now thinking; "Oh yeah! That makes way more sense! He was just talking about "Jerry's Springers kids! Totally got it!". You remind me of Trent Lott when he "mispoke" (regarding Strom Thurmond). "Now I mispoke you see, I got all discombobulated. You see what I was thinking up here, when it came down this way-came out backwayds. See what I meant to say was.........." -David Cross pretending he is Stren Lott. P.S. Did you know that Trent Lott had to on BET and apologize! I mean Trent Lott on BET! -D.C.
. All the NEMSA supporters on this site have done nothing to help their cause with people on the fence. "Jerrys Kids" comments, letters desiring to hack people up, etc...you guys are really using your head when it comes to winning people over.
