Lets pretend for a moment, that the people who supported NEMSA, never attempted to inform the good folks at Contra Costa as to why they should change from a union to an association. I would like to ask Rhino, Vern, Medic one, Ratface, and Duckbilled 01 a few questions that I was never given the opportunity to ask.
1) Who are you people? 2) Who is running NEMSA? 3) Who controls the money and what fiscal experience do they have (other than getting a Hummer financed [not a good sign of fiscal responsibility I might add])? 4) Since I am happy with my union, why should I accept change? 5) Why are you afraid of Contra Costa? Actually, that last one is too easy. Please try to give a civil response. If at all possible, curb your anger and hatred for one thread.
who's NEMSA: a few men who couldnt do there jobs at SEIU so they decided to quite and find a better money maker ( i guess they couldnt afford there hummer on 70 grand a year)
who's running NEMSA: The same few men that couldnt run SEIU's ems division but they think that they can run a bussiness doing the same thing. hmmm intresting would have liked to see how fast the hamster had to run to come up with that idea oh wait i dont think it did i think it died.
who controls the money: hmm..... good question no one knows cause when you ask them for a finacle plan they cant produce one they are also the same company that has to file an L3 instead of a L2 cause they make under 10,000 a year.... hmmm what happens when there are multiple arbitrations. but they are also the same ones that wont produce there financle plans. hmmm thats still intresting to me.
and i cant answer the last one cause i dont work there but im sure its cuase you guys dont like them so they dont like you
thanks for the great questions i thought iwould answer them with honesty instead of the blanket lies that NEMSAs going to spill
I am glad you are such and expert on NEMSA. Were did you get all that great information?
If anyone wants the straight information on NEMSA I would suggest contacting NEMSA. Contact information is on their web site. I have contacted them myself and they are willing to answer any and all questions, even inflammatory attack questions. I know of people that have actually gone to their headquarters in Sacramento and spoke with them in person. I know that is a little hard for people to grasp; actually getting off the message board and finding out first hand without IAEP hecklers ready to regurgitate what there handlers tell them.
quote: Originally posted by: Vernon Thymes "Hey Autum, I am glad you are such and expert on NEMSA. Were did you get all that great information? If anyone wants the straight information on NEMSA I would suggest contacting NEMSA. Contact information is on their web site. I have contacted them myself and they are willing to answer any and all questions, even inflammatory attack questions. I know of people that have actually gone to their headquarters in Sacramento and spoke with them in person. I know that is a little hard for people to grasp; actually getting off the message board and finding out first hand without IAEP hecklers ready to regurgitate what there handlers tell them. -- Edited by Vernon Thymes at 20:32, 2004-10-12"
I do know Matt, but if you really want to know without all the side crap from the IAEP people that truly have no clue and are just repeating the talking points that either 250 or IAEP has given them then you need call Torren yourself. He is not the devil that people say he is.
For some reason Matt I think just maybe you may not be the typical IAEP sheep, and want to find out what is real and what is fantasy. I hope I am right because most people on this site are basing there opinions on things that are blatantly false. And how do I know they are false? Because I have asked, verified and confirmed everything through uninterested independent third parties, government agencies, CA, and federal legal code, the NLRB, the NLRA, the US dept of Labor, the CA Secretary of State. This is why I am less than patient with people like Autum and company that just puke back what Pinkass, Sanda, Holloway and the rest of the gang tell them to.
The questions I am asking should not be this hard to find answers to. If you want people to support you, you tell them why and how it's going to work. I don't know of anyone who will not wonder who is getting the cash. I can't buy into a system that keeps itself and it's supporters under a cloak of mystery. Is this Torren guy the wizard behind the curtain? I ask again, who are you people and why should I give you my money?
Just kick down your trade secrets, you know, the business plan and structure of your organization.
Come on boys, get together and take your medication. It is in your best interests, collectively and personally.(psss...I'm saying you are the same person with MPD...)
vernon instead of making random post or derogatory posts about people just answer the simple questions that are being asked!!!!!!!!!! if there not trade secrets then just tell us
If you are coming on a IAEP message board to ask questions about NEMSA that is your first folly. When someone wants to know about an organization they usually contact that organization don't they? If getting a financial report on a internet message forum from me about NEMSA is your idea of credible then good luck IEAP!
I told you go talk to the man. Do some home work for once. If you minions would spend just a 3rd of the time you spend on this message board actually finding and verifying the information, you would have all the answers you seek.
It's nice to see the old accusations flying about who is who again. Before I think I was accused of being Tim then someone else. Now I am the man himself and am having some sort of ambulance affair. Is this the best IAEP has got?
Do your home work people, you will soon find that it isn't NEMSA taking you for a ride.
When we talk to you, we are talking to Torren. You are Torren, Vernon.
Now Vernon/Torren, I would love to go to the NEMSA message board but unfortunately, I cannot pose questions there because IAEP questions are too difficult to adequately answer. The attorney Talbot doesn't have time when he is busy with the prison guards and state forestry folks.
I did a lot of homework during the decert and campaign. I've also been around for a little while. Now come clean with us and tell us that you are Torren (The Man) Colcord. You carry yourself in a similiar way to Torren. You can certainly take that as a compliment. Torren is quite the up and comer ready for a photo op on money magazine. The title would be: "The man that broke an empire!" All of the ethical money managers would love him if he destroyed SEIU. Now that is a big money agenda for ya.
If you will remember.. a lot of these questions were brought up on the NEMSA message board, when there was one, and they went unanswered.. often... also.. the message board is a great way to get information out to loads of people as there are many who check back rather frequently.. last night at one point there were 18 guests checking this thing out, and you know how people talk.. it could be 50 to 100 people that know what went on here last night... and another point.. many of us are night owls and work at night... not the usual operating hours of the buisness of NEMSA now is it?? Not the usual hours of very many buisnesses for that matter.
So.. if you don't have the answers.. or are simply unwilling to share with others... please refrain from the usual NEMSA bashing.. and move on to another topic.....very simple considering you only have to click your mouse....
And.. for the record.. the ride NEMSA been taking us on for the last 6 months.. exciting.. considering that it just goes round in circles.... And you guys keep trying to sell us tickets.. even though we already told you.. we don't like that ride....
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I asked for some sort of financial projection form Torren for 4 months and never received one. Tim Talbot even told me that Torren had them at a meeting I attended and that I was entitled to view a copy. But when I asked Torren about it he ended the meeting and suddenly had to travel elsewhere with the financial reports I was supposedly entitled to see. And now there is no NEMSA message board and anytime I try to email Torren I get one word replys that do not help answer my questions. After a while I just got tired of asking. I cant speak for everyone here but I have never said that NEMSA was an evil or terrible idea, and when I first heard about it I was a supporter, but unanswered questions and the way some of the NEMSA folks treated me caused me to look for answers elsewhere. If the Oak Valley and San Mateo medics are happy with NEMSA then that is great and I hope they receive good representaion but I was not sold on the NEMSA product and therefore did not vote for them. Had they won I would be working hard to help make my union better, but they did not. IAEP is our current rep and I will work to make it the best union it can be. If the election is reheld and NEMSA wins then I will work with them, but the smokescreen that guards their "trade secrets" worries me a little.
quote: Originally posted by: Vernon Thymes " If you are coming on a IAEP message board to ask questions about NEMSA that is your first folly. When someone wants to know about an organization they usually contact that organization don't they? If getting a financial report on a internet message forum from me about NEMSA is your idea of credible then good luck IEAP! I told you go talk to the man. Do some home work for once. If you minions would spend just a 3rd of the time you spend on this message board actually finding and verifying the information, you would have all the answers you seek. It's nice to see the old accusations flying about who is who again. Before I think I was accused of being Tim then someone else. Now I am the man himself and am having some sort of ambulance affair. Is this the best IAEP has got? Do your home work people, you will soon find that it isn't NEMSA taking you for a ride. "
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i recently asked for a financle projection at a NEMSA meeting i was told that i couldnt have one overnight but that you could get me one in a few days. i have yet to recieve it. that seems to be the consensous with everyone who has asked for that one simple task. if you are not a bussiness you should be able to get it to us. and yes your right this is a IAEP message board but if the NEMSA board was up and running the same questions would be on there and we would still be getting the run around. so stop with the run around already and give us the answers we are asking for. If you dont give us the answers it leads us to assumptions and that seems to be not in your favor.... so maybe you should just give us the answers
Get a clue. NEMSA could show you people all the financials in the world, but alas you would not know what you were looking at; or did I miss the fact that you actually have an education beyond a semester of vocational EMT school? You armchair wanabees really need to get a life.
Besides, what does it matter? These questions have been answered over and over, but for some reason you people just don’t like the answers that you are getting, so you just say that NEMSA refuses to answer.
You have already made your decision and have pledged your loyalty. Why should NEMSA pander to someone who is going to vote against them no matter what they show you?
quote: Originally posted by: Medic_One "Hey Autum, Get a clue. NEMSA could show you people all the financials in the world, but alas you would not know what you were looking at; or did I miss the fact that you actually have an education beyond a semester of vocational EMT school? You armchair wanabees really need to get a life. "
hey carlos just a quick question. but havent you been and EMT for 15 years, and dont you have an education of a semester of vacational emt school? Its just a question cause thats a blanket stament and if thats directed at IAEP supporters thats also a blanket statement for NEMSA suporters too.
That statement is also made to all those EMTs you are currently trying to get a vote from. im sure that they would be intrested in hearing that you think that EMTs lack brains or that we are how did you put it (i want to make sure my wording is correct) "armchair wanabees". hmmm that would be an intresting topic of conversation wouldnt it be.
quote: Originally posted by: Medic_One "Hey Autum, Get a clue. NEMSA could show you people all the financials in the world, but alas you would not know what you were looking at; or did I miss the fact that you actually have an education beyond a semester of vocational EMT school? You armchair wanabees really need to get a life. Besides, what does it matter? These questions have been answered over and over, but for some reason you people just don’t like the answers that you are getting, so you just say that NEMSA refuses to answer. You have already made your decision and have pledged your loyalty. Why should NEMSA pander to someone who is going to vote against them no matter what they show you? "
Wow, sounds like NEMSA really wants the support of field personel now doesnt it?
The only time I have seen the financial question answered it has been by some annonymous person who is making assumptions on behalf of NEMSA. And by Old Rhino but lets face it, his proposed budget wasn't anything close to realistic in regards to the costs of running a business, i.e. office space, computers, phones, etc...
"NEMSA" the official organization refused, and it sounds like continues to refuse, to provide their prospective members with some sort of financial projection.
And you can show me any projected budget you want and I will have no problem understanding it. Remember, I am a video game playing young nerd! I love math! and although I am young I used to oversee a $400,000 a year budget for a non-profit I used to be involved with. That would be the same realm that NEMSA is operating in and roughly 40% of their prospective budget. Any factual info would have been helpful but none was provided. SO I voted for those that let me see what I was voting for.
-- Edited by snake911 at 16:54, 2004-10-13
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Medic One, where did you obtain your mathematics major? In fact did you even go to college? Unlike you, many of us "youngins" actually have mathematics education above algebra. Here is something you may not know. We have shown NEMSA's "plan" to presidents of other union locals of different professions. I even went over it with my best friend who is in the Stanford busniess masters program. What I was told across the board is that NEMSA would be unsuccesful financialy, and from leaders in other unions, that NEMSA would be unsuccesul in leadership against AMR. NEMSA has not once shown us concrete facts about their business plan, nor any financial projections. Why is it medic one that it is so hard to see that we wanted that stuff, and didn't get it? You should sell NEMSA all you want, but at least recognize where many of us were let down. Do you think we just changed out minds about NEMSA because we were bored? You are only alienating NEMSA more by insulting us for our lack of confidence about NEMSA. I truly believe this union fight will fade. Some don't agree, but only time will tell. Many of us have lives to get back to, but hopefully we will hold our union in high regard, and make it as strong as possible.
