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Bylaws Update (and I love all of you)


 I have attended the Bylaws meetings today in AlCo and yesterday in Santa Clara.  There has been alot of progress made in building upon the ideas that the Stanislaus folks started at their meeting.  There has been alot of positive involvment from NEMSA supporters in these meetings.  They have made some great suggestions and they are very concerned that they and their fellow employees are represented properly.  I cant speak for all of them but I think it is clear that after meeting with Mark Pinkus that IAEP is not "250 business as usual".  Ill make this very clear, the way things were handled with 250 are changing.  There is complete transparancy in the way this local is going to be run.  It has come to light as we write these bylaws that many of the standard operation procedures for 250 may have been in conflict with DOL laws.  Both sides are coming together to make sure that these practices do not take place any longer in order to better serve the members.  We have set up a structure for the Executive Committee and the E-Board along with roles and responsibilties for positions and an election process that should get all of these positions filled.  A full election will be held to decided these positions and these bylaws will have to be ratified by the membership before they can be put into place so everyone will have a chance to comment on the bylaws before they are enacted, so even if you cant make a meeting you still have a chance to have your voice heard.  We have also set up a structure to get stewards voted in for the counties and how that will take place.  It is very encouraging to have so much progress being made in the first 3 meetings.  With 6-7 meetings left to go there should be no problem getting bylaws in place the represent all of the counties.


  With all of this progress being made I have been looking back over my posts of the last few weeks and I am saddened by the amount of derogatory and insulting posts that have been made (some of them by me).  Now that we have an outlet for our creativity and energy (the bylaws commitee) I dont think its appropriate to continue useing that energy in negative arenas.  Therefore I am encouraging everyone to ignore the vulgar and inflammatory things written about them and only respond to informative posts with information that you can provide.  This goes for both sides.  I know that the NEMSA people have been attacked on here, and provoked or not, I ask you to ignore the attacks and use your energy by showing up the the meetings or email suggestions and ideas to Mark.  I will no longer be responding to the negative posts or threads (including the ones I have started).  Im sorry that some will take my silence to mean I have no response to the insults but I will not allow my energy to be spent in areas that make no difference when there is important work to be done on behalf of this local.  I will continue to post updates to the meetings as I am able and I will continue to respond to questions and posts about moving forward with the bylaws and the local structure.  I hope eveyone is doing well and I hope all of you find a way to make it to these meetings.  Make your voices heard.


Brad Cramer



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I am hearing very different reports coming from Stanislaus, and Santa Clara.  Can you tell me the number of members that attended each meeting, not including the IAEP staff and the hacks from the other counties?  To say you had a good meeting with only 2 or three people there does not constitute a change from the 250 way of doing business.


It seems to me that the members are again being lied to.


 



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Since you are calling me a "hack" I really dont think I should respond to this but here goes. 


 I cant speak for the Stanislaus meeting because I wasnt there but I think I saw 5-6 names on the minutes.  I dont have them in front of me right now so Im not sure.  If you would like the official numbers you can Email Mark, I will post the numbers when I have the minutes in front of me.  From what I understand Stanislaus was a 100% Pro-NEMSA county and they showed up to the bylaw meeting well prepared and organized.  I have only heard positve things about their involvment at that meeting and judging by the minutes I saw they were very busy.  Regardless of how they voted I dont think anyone wants to hide and let these bylaws get formed without them.  We had 3 people at the Santa Clara meeting and 5 people at the AlCo meeting, and Mark who is the IAEP staff person who is facilitating these meetings.  That is 12-13 people thus far, usually bylaws are written by 3-4 people but since we have such a large membership that would not be appropriate.  So its an open meeting stucture, everyone who shows up is considered a member of the committe.  I think these meetings were very productive not because there were hundreds of people there but because the people who did show up obviously had alot of concerns about how we write these bylaws and I think those concerns were addressed at the meeting.  If you want to change the 250 way of doing things I invite you to come to a meeting.  I will guarentee that anybody who shows up to the Santa Cruz meeting will not be harrased based on the way they voted in the election.  We are passed that.  Its time to make sure that all of the members have their concerns addressed, and that includes the Pro-NEMSA people.  The meeting are a much better forum to have your concerns heard than here on this forum.  If you think you are being lied to then come to the meetings and address those issues.  The members who take the time to attend will have their voice in the process.  Out of 2400 members there are only 90 registered members on this forum some of whom are not from this unit and only 20 or so who actually post regularly.  The most viewed posts on here get 250 views at best.  By showing up to the meetings or emailing Mark so you can stay informed on what is happening you can share that info with your coworkers.  This insures that the members are not being lied to, they can get info from you who they trust, instead of from me (who they dont know) from posts on this forum.



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I sure hope that Stanislaus gets a clue becuause we will out vote them every time without fail.


 



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Forfend,


Stanislaus did get a clue. In fact, they were great. I was totally impressed with their contribution.


The involvement we have had to date, as Brad had pointed out, is considerably more than most unions call for, and we are a long way from being done. We have several counties to go, with still more contributions to be offered. There is the possibility that we may have a poor turn-out in a previously pro-NEMSA county. The Constitution and By-Laws will be written without their input. It would be that county's loss. We could have voted in 3 or 4 people to write the By-Laws, but we felt that would not be the best option to represent 19 different counties.


I personally will not put out the names of the individuals that have attended our meetings. In light of the inappropriate and, at times violent, posts from NEMSA die-hards, I am concerned they would be berated by NEMSA for attending. If it is that important, then you will need to contact Marc Pinkas for the minutes of that meeting.


Brad, I've read all of your posts, and I don't believe anything you have written to be vulgar or inapppropriate. The fact that you have an opposing viewpoint to NEMSA is going to be inflammatory to that person no matter what. It's the nature of the beast. The vulgarity and disgusting comments are coming from basically two or three individuals from NEMSA. I was kicked off the NEMSA message forum for one reason only, because I posted the Bonifay letter on his own site. I was never vulgar or inappropriate. I have been grateful to IAEP that they have allowed this forum to be accessed byanyone, even those that oppose them, without censorship. But the vulgarity from NEMSA has reached a point that is way beyond freedom of speech. There are people, who are not involved with private EMS, that have logged onto this forum that have been appalled by the rhetoric chosen by NEMSA. They couldn't believe that one EMT, from the same company, would attack another fellow EMT like they have done. I have asked IAEP to more closely monitor this forum so that posts that are full of vulgarity, hate, and repetitive expletives, be removed. As a forewarning, NEMSA will come out and say we are censoring them just to protect the IAEP. Obviously, it would be done to protect the image of EMT's.


See you all out there!!


 


Rod


 


 


 



-- Edited by Paramaniac at 15:21, 2004-10-17

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Hey Rod and Brad, Are you two done with the strokefest. First I’d like to point out to you Rod that Forfend or Foreskin started the vulgarity. She/he/it continues to prompt it.


You 2 clowns continue to promote The by-laws meeting as going well. That’s not what I have been hearing. I’m getting information from sources way more creditable then you two that the meeting are a sham. First Stanislaus, Just because people attend you meeting does not mean they support the illegitimate IAEP. They go to get info. From what I’ve heard they told you monkeys off. Now let’s talk about the SCCO meeting. I’m hearing you guys changed the location meeting at the last minute and did not tell anyone where the new location was. I’m thinking you did this to keep Pro-nemsa people away, so you can continue your sham of how much support you are getting. People are telling me that your by-law ideas are to set up a dictatorship to collect dues and keep people from having a voice in how things are run. Go ahead and pretend you are getting input from all the counties. San Joaquin county didn’t even get a meeting. I’m sure the IAEP asses have already written the by-laws themselves. They are just pretending that each county has given them the ideas. Everyone’s going to vote the By-laws down anyway because IAEP does not belong here any way. Maybe If we get real lucky the NLRB will throw IAEP out on its ass before the sham by-laws are done.



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Ratty,


Was there a meeting in close proximity to San Juaquin? Monterey and San Benito are not hosting one either, but interested parties will travel to Santa Cruz. Is there no mechanism to spread info in Santa Clara? Stacy said Santa Clara wanted no part of it anyway. Judging by the votes, I doubt if he is speaking for everybody, but this question could raise hypocrisy issues. Do only a "few" speak for "everyone" in the nemsa camp too?


You present yourself as an involved know it all, how much participation has gone on historically in this EMS division? Is there a sudden huge drop off in participation due to IAEP? Oh yeah, there would have been much more turn-out for nemsa if the voting had been "fair".



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I would invite anyone who has any concerns about who is really writing the bylaws to show up to a meeting and see how the process actually works and how much effort it takes from the members.  It very easy to criticize and deride the process when you have not been at the meetings to see how things work.  Anyone with concerns have a forum open to them so they can make a difference, its called the bylaws meetings and they are open to everyone.

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