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double post

got nothing to say of value except

 

 

 

 

 

good luck

 

 

 

 

 

ooooh!

-- Edited by Forfend at 23:58, 2004-09-27

it tastes like chicken

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

DOUBLE ICED!

 

And with that final conversation with distraction, here it goes.

 

Pensions, retiree health, 401k, and many many more options are available.

As for being a company that is traded on the stock market, I remember really stupid answers to questions why we used outdated broken down equipment.  It was something to the effect of "A publicly traded company has to show a 9% profit before it is considered to be ready to reflect a profit.  If we constantly update our equipment, we will be decreasing the 9% base which causes our stock to go down.  That makes shareholders upset and they will begin to sell the stock which will cause the company to lose money.  That would cause us to go bankrupt."

Now the manager that gave me that excuse, he no longer works with us.  He got disillusioned or something.  In any case, it is not fun to be publicly traded.  It also doesn't help when you want to cry broke at RFP time and negotiations and when your begging medicare to reimburse more etc.

pension this contract

Forfend,

There are a lot of people out there that feel the same as you, that are not working for nor have any cares about SEIU or any other union. Many people hire financial advisors to help them with their portfolios because they know they cannot do it themselves, that includes selecting mutual funds, which is a staple for 401(k)'s.

I see it both ways. But, if you stay on top of your 401(k), I think you stand good chance at beating a pension hands down.

 

Rod

I said get off NEMSA and get to work and I am accused of being a Die hard NEMSA supporter?  I intimate by experience my opinion on your presidential aspirations and I get attacked by you. Rod why the instant defensiveness if you weren’t vying for the job? I make two posts and the cannons come out on me.  No wonder there are only five of you posting on this site.  I noticed you starting to attack each other after you did not have medic one to punch on for a while.  It would appear by your hostility towards me and others on this site (and I actually supported 250) that you and your five friends just live to tear people down who have a different angle on things.  Sounds like this forum is anything but a place for open dialog.  I guess this is a picture of how the new "local" and it leadership is going to be. 

Someone who wants to lead people even in the smallest shop steward capacity should exercise a little more character.

Vernon

Vernon is just so darn smart with his "Good Luck" slams! Man you really took a long time to think that one up! How witty!!!
(i'm being sarcastic by the way. try engaging in some sub-pop before you attempt being humerous again. )
Also, I'm not sure why your slamming Rod, why don't you try to actually be involved like he is, before you make irrational slams and claims. The world doesn't revolve around your comments alone. I for one say that if ANYONE is having aspirations in being the local president, well that is awesome! it looks like a ton of work, for only those who are true private EMS supporters. Even if Rod was thinking about it, why is that a bad thing? I say bravo, and lets encourage each to be involved, not discourage. Shame on you Vermon Thymes for trying to guilt trip anyone who wants to be involved, we do not respect that. Maybe your little high school click of friends like it, but the majority does not, so stop alienating yourself and get off the couch and become involved. I'm getting really tired of the insults, when will it stop? Have you ever heard of productive criticism?

good luck

-- Edited by STRIFE at 17:08, 2004-09-28

Roland!,

I'm just more playing devil's advocate here. But you have to admit, there are some passionate points of view here. If it is the decision of the field in general to go with a pension, I want to have the opportunity to look it over carefully. I'm concerned at how expensive this is going to be for the members. Nothing is currently on the table, and I don't want to be forcefed something that may not turn out to be what is best for us.

Thank you,

Rod Billings, Shop Steward, IAEP, CoCo

<observing from the bleachers: It looks as though Medic_One has rejoined the midst of the party, but under a different name.. the inability to "get it" when it's right under his nose,inadequate grasping of subtlies,the wording of put downs, and the ability to recognize that one is letting the put downs "roll of their back".. it all seems so familiar....intresting>

-- Edited by Clear_my_side at 23:09, 2004-09-28

Rod,

This is the posting I made.  Can you tell me why this posting has elicited such a visceral attack by you?

Rod

It is nice to see that you care about everyone.  I imagine that you will be running for president of the new local.  I have been monitoring your postings and it seems clear to me that you are doing some serious political maneuvering.  Being involved in unions and politics for many many years has given me an eye for the pandering.

Good luck

Vernon

Nothing in the posting is derogatory nor does it say anything about NEMSA.  None of my postings say anything about supporting NEMSA yet because you have an issue with me talking about the board elections you call me a "hard core NEMSA supporter"  why is that Rod?  You did state that you at least want to be a shop steward.  Why is a leader attacking a member?

Now this clear my side person has accused me of being medic one himself, and Strife has called me "Vermon"  It seems as if some one comes on and makes a comment that the fab 5 don't like it's blood in the water and the sharks attack.  I don't get it.  My comments are not inflammatory, yet I am accused off all kinds of evil doing. 

As for not contributing, I would say that my very presence on this board has contributed greatly in exposing some serious issues among those that have set themselves atop of the IAEP perch.  The fact that open discussion is met with insults, name calling, ignoring and hatred from the "leaders" of the new local, I think helps the members get a good view of what to expect.  Just look below at the reponses to me and ask yourself who is trying to break things down?

Vernon

Below are quotes from the forum/IAEP leaders to a member

 

 

Vernon,

 

 

Does any of your panderings include getting off your as* and actually doing something? Rod Billings

 

I just read your other post about people "beating up" on NEMSA. I loved the 11 objections you folks made to the NLRB. You guys have a helluva sense of humor! Rod Billings

But of course, this is what we have come to expect from the die-hards at NEMSA. Criticize, but do absolutely nothing. Rod Billings

Apparently Vern didn't have too much input.....period. Rod Billings

Shame on you Vermon Thymes…., we do not respect that. Maybe your little high school click of friends like it, but the majority does not, Strife (Nate Contos)

observing from the bleachers: It looks as though Medic_One has rejoined the midst of the party, but under a different name.. the inability to "get it" when it's right under his nose,inadequate grasping of subtlies,the wording of put downs, and the ability to recognize that one is letting the put downs "roll of their back".. it all seems so familiar....intresting Clear My Side (AMY)

 

Your rhetoric is exactly the same thing we are used to from other die-hards like Medic_One. We are tired of it. So far, you have done nothing to help this local along. I have seen nothing to suggest you have any intention whatsoever of making any effort to help. So, don't ignore me. What are you willing to do to help? When will we see anything positive come from you? Rod Billings

<just more NEMSA hairballs from Medic_One> Rod Billings

-- Edited by Vernon Thymes at 23:49, 2004-09-28

-- Edited by Vernon Thymes at 23:56, 2004-09-28

Thank you for making my point Rod.

I actually thought just maybe things under IAEP would be different.  I am very disapointed now that I voted for them.

Vernon

Kevin,

   I just have to say thanks for coming to this site and putting your two cents in !!!

   You made the points that i was going to about 401k vs Pension for me, since i havent been home for a while.......

   At any rate, remember many companies have had Pension plan problems besides Enron, In fact while Enron screwed everyone including employees there are those whom target the employee. The Public Benefit Gaurentee Corporation estimates that Pension funds are under funded by $350,000,000,000 (yes 350 BILLION dollars !!). This group takes what money is left from compaines after their pensions fail and try and distribute the left over to the poor people on the receiving end.

Personally, I would rather lose my own money in the stock market than have someone else lose it for me.

Thanks,

Mark Thomas, Shasta

Rod,

just spent the last 10 minutes trying to figure out which postings actually delt with the subject matter at hand...

I whole heartedly agree with you that no matter what we want our retirement to look like, we need to thoroughly investigate everything we can.  We certainly don't want a program that costs too much up front.  But on the other hand we shouldn't be limited as to how much we can contribute.  Also, what is the risk vs. return.  What's this risk involved and what can we expect as a return when it time to use it. 

So, what do you think our next step is?  Where do we go to find out information on various retirement plans?  I know we can get information from our new 401k provider easily enough.  But, how do we know it is the best 401k program and how can we find out what else is out there?  If we do decide to stick with the 401k, how do we feel about the current employer contribution?  Is it enough?  Do we want more? Right now, we are matched 100% for the first 5% of our income we invest.  Should we ask for 7 or 8%?  How can we get better employee contributions so we won't be limited to a measly $7200 per year investment cap?  When it comes time to negotiate our next contract, I believe we should already have an idea in mind as to what we want for retirement as well as a plan for the company to be able to provide it to us.  It will be much more difficult for the company deny us if we have a solid plan ready to be implemented.

Roland

vernon-

All I see is that you clearly picked a fight....

 

And thats fine, I think many of us are passionate debaters and arguers, who doesn't love a ****ing match? accusing someone of "pandering" is a pretty harsh insult, and though your brief comments have no specifically agressive laguage your tone is insinuating enough- so I'm confused as to why you act suprised when people rise to the bait that you set...

 

-- Edited by hattiecarroll at 16:58, 2004-09-29