Financially IAEP won't work II

Forfend · Senior Member

RE: Financially IAEP won't work II

Vernon Thymes · Senior Member

Well if you don't think 1.2 million is enough. What do you think you are going to get with 86,000 from IAEP?

This is the point.

-- Edited by Vernon Thymes at 21:18, 2004-10-06

Forfend · Senior Member

At least IAEP has stand off money. You know, stand off. That stuff that keeps management from frivilous discipline that I have seen way too often around me at work. When you have enough stand off power, you can deal with the big stuff.

DUHHH!

Vernon Thymes · Senior Member

Stand off money?

What are you talking about?

We get 86,000 dollars that is it. You get nothing else.

Can you people understand this? All the money except 86K goes to affiliation fees. There is no more.

In order to get more we have to vote to raise our dues.

Is anyone awake here?

Forfend · Senior Member

Affiliations cause stand offs.

IAEP has attourneys on payroll, not retainer.

Please, get real. 12 years of doing business and the only complaints that I have seen about IAEP are little men trying to become president and upset that they are not elected in their local. They just become vocal cry babies, hungry for attention and love.

snake911 · Veteran Member

All of the money other than the $86K is not marked for affilliation fees although thats what you want people to think. ALot of that money pays for office buildings, computers, fax machines, mailers to keep members informed, 4 full time paid lawyers on staff, and the other costs associated with running a bussiness. In your $560,000 surplus where is the cost of office space? NEMSA does have an office in a building right? Roughly $2 a square foot at a minimum, 4000 square feet sounds like a decent office, so $8000/month times 12 months a year? oh lets see thats $96,000 a year not accounted for. What other small non-essential almost $100K a year costs are you forgetting? the costs of running a buiness go well beyond paying 1 president, 3 field reps, and various legal fees. Where is the cost of paper to send info to members? Where is the cost for all of the supplies needed to run a union? You are a big fan of accusing people of "polishing turds", it sounds like you have been busy with a big can of Kiwi and and extra helping of elbow grease. If you want to make an approximate financial projection at least make it in the realm of realistic.

-- Edited by snake911 at 14:22, 2004-10-07

Vernon Thymes · Senior Member

Wrong again Brad,

All that stuff you mentioned comes out of the 86,000.

You need to do your homework. Very little is paid by NAGE. The attounies are on staff true; the NAGE staff not IAEP, but they are right out of school and have no experience. This is what the NAGE president said in ALCO.

All other expenses needed to run your business are born out of your 3.00 including arbitrations.

Think people think

Paramaniac · Senior Member

Let's set this straight right now.

The attorneys are not paid by the local. The four, full-time representatives are also not paid for by the local. It is not open for debate.

Torren had no experience whatsoever being a field representative when he took the job, so it seems it's time to look inward at your own problems before fixing ours.

Again, let's see you NEMSA die-hards open NEMSA's books to see how they are doing financially. We know exactly how many members you have, and the dues coming in. This is the making of a highly financially unstable organization. This is not the type of organization that should be representing EMT's and paramedics. But, instead, you prefer to attack. Attack at all costs, morning, noon, and night.

Rod

-- Edited by Paramaniac at 23:13, 2004-10-07

Medic_One · Senior Member

Rodney,

your not answering Rhino. I wonder why that is.

Lets see NEMSA gives 100% back to the members so lets see how much more stable they are. COCO has 273 employees. IAEP gives you back 3.00 that is 819.00 per month

San Mateo has 65 members they get Approx 40.00 that is 2600.00 per month.

IAEP - 273 gets 819.00

NEMSA - 65 gets 2600.00

Under NEMSA Rod, COCO would get 10,920 per month

Who is more stable?

STRIFE · Senior Member

I dont really agree with these figures, because you are not counting the enourmous legal and office space costs. But I do have to admit, if you only you guys had been giving us some sort of financial plan/figure like many of us asked from Torren, you would have seen more votes possibly. We were left in the dark of NEMSA's financial plan/projections. Ok Medic One lets here the insults, ready for em! Which will it be this time? Where I live? How young I am? How little experience I am? How I have stabbed everyone and there cat in the back? I'm ready! Also, i offer the same to you as I did Vernon, when you are ready to be a big guy and actually stand behind what you say, I would love to have a conversation with you in person, just let me know.

STRIFE · Senior Member

Ok vernon, I am confused. What exactly do you feel that the $86,000 will be paying for? Are you saying our 4 full time field reps salaries get paid from that? Are you saying our office space will be paid from that? Our payment to a negotiater? Our attorney fee's? Our mailings? I am most certain that stuff is already covered in the package. Maybe I'm wrong, but obviously it would be impossible to pay for 4 full time field reps alone with 86,000, but we are in the process of getting them, so i guess its happening. Be specific so we can get the questions answered. i'm sure if we dont' have the answers we can get them.

Forfend · Senior Member

The facts are staggering!

-- Edited by Forfend at 23:14, 2004-10-13