Insanity

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

RE: Insanity

Play with My Money · Senior Member

Well once again NEMSA does not pan out to be the benevolent organization that it sold itself as. "Telethon watching types" and "Jerry's Kids"(has this ever been a reference to Jerry Springer) "Short bus" comments are all in absolute opposition to the NEMSA dream of donating to charity for political strength. This wouldn't go over well with these organizations.

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

I see, even if Carlos THINKS IAEP is lying, he feels he does not have to tell the truth to his members?? That makes a whole lot of sense. I am glad that Carlos is showing his true colors. His word is nothing. He has proven it. His Co-workers don't mean much to him. He has proven it.

Carlos should show that he is credible and independant, regardless of what you think. These are his members, not yours! I had hoped Carlos would remain true to his word, but he has stated that he will not. That is his choice. So, any credibility he did have within a few co-workers, has just now been lost.

"If you have the names on a petition then why be afraid of a vote, Why does an IAEP person need to be with Carlos when he double checks the list, what are you afraid of? Being caught in lies about NEMSA"

I am not afraid of a vote. I have stated this several times. What you fail to READ Aaron, is that these people are signing a petition to NOT vote. And, on the contrary Aaron, I believe that an IAEP person should be with Carlos so that Carlos does not lie. But, um, actually you don't even make sense. If an IAEP person were afraid of being caught in a lie about NEMSA, why would they want to be there? I just think it would be fair to both parties, but you probably don't understand what the word fair means. NEMSA hasn't played fair the whole time.

You say that Carlos told that person to her face, that she knew what she was signing. So she must be B*ll Sh*tt*ng. Um, but, she told Carlos to his face that she had NO IDEA what she was signing. In fact, she told him that she thought they were still friends and at the time she signed the petition, that is why she signed it. She trusted Carlos and thought of him as a friend.

The numerous meetings I have seen you at Aaron, you did not have much to say. I just think it is quite funny how you have plenty to say when no one can stop from behind the computer. If you were paying attention, I had a lot to say at the meeting. I answered questions and rebuttals were given when incorrect information about the IAEP was given.

I am not hassling Carlos. In fact, I am quite polite to Carlos. Other than his nonsense and misinformation, I don't have any reason not to be polite. I commend Carlos for having passion, however, I believe that his passion sways in the direction of his pocket, and that is what I don't agree with.

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COEMS1 · Veteran Member

Our op's manager has told me and sevral members that AMR will not honor the service agreement between SEIU 250 and IAEP. If that happens the members in our divison will be with out a union and a contract. This is one main reason that I will not pull the petition.

If the members of AMR No. Hollywood don't like me, that's fine. I don't have too many real friends at work any ways. You see most are my co-workers and that's fine with me. My real friends will talk to me in person and not behind my back. Friends don't back stabb friends.

I will respect any one who give me the same. I'm not a child and don't need to act like one. I will tell you the real facts to your face. I will not give in to pressure from any one. Not AMR, IAEP or Torren. I stand up and fight for what I belive in. You see that's why our divison has a good contract. I been attack to AMR, Employees and the union before.

For your information I don't need money from any union or even a job offer to support them. If you knew me you would know that I been employee for 15yrs and make decent money. My wifes jobs pays here real well. And I also have my T-shirt business on the side. I'm putting my daughter through college. I have a house that I just remodel. My wife drives a 2002 Lexus and my daughter got her own car at age 16. I have have a 2003 Tahoe all paid with , thats right mine and my wifes hard earn money. So you see I don't need your money, IAEP, or NEMSA money. I give about $2000.00 a year to youth groups in my area. I sponcer kids that need help.

So next time you want to say that the only reason I supporting NEMSA is to get a job offer. You are so wrong. I have a job already and am very happy their.

Carlos

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

Carlos,

First of all my name is LEAH... L-E-A-H.. Not Leha...

Secondly, if your petition to decertify SEIU was written any way like your last post to me, I could see how there would be some misunderstandings. What????

I hope you are not basing your option to buy a new BMW on the fact that you will be employed with NEMSA soon. I would hate for your dreams to come to a crashing reality when SEIU/IAEP is voted in. I say VOTED in, becasue you have obviously gone back on your word. So be it!!

"I do not need anyone to paid me. I am a grown men making my own choices just like everyone else should." Umm, what?? It is nice to see that you are a grown men.

I didn't bring your name up at this site, you had already registered onto this site, so I was merely refering to you.

Carlos, you are so funny. You are right. As I told Aaron, I am no longer an employee at AMR, but I have worked for them for 6 years. You will certainly see me back on the road soon. Who knows, maybe I will transfer to your division. Maybe we could even be partners. I would be more than happy to help you with your PCR's.

One more thing, just because I no longer work for AMR, does not have any relation of whether I am being paid by the IAEP or not. I will definetely put a word in for you, but I can't promise it will be good or not.

Poor Carlos. I thought we actually got along. Maybe that was just in person. Like I said before Carlos, I have tremendous respect for someone who has a passion, but I don't agree with someone who loses all morals and values to have one.

Hey Carlos, I will get my 76 and MORE signatures. I know that it does not mean much to you anymore, but rest assured, you will be bothered with it, when the election comes.

Sorry Forfrend, but I have to steal a line on this one post..... "See ya out there!"

-- Edited by TheCuteCat at 11:55, 2004-10-13

Play with My Money · Senior Member

Carlos,

I don't know many members that are as well situated financially as you. That is why we have more on the line when it comes to representation.

COEMS1 · Veteran Member

Erin

You now see why I am fighting to keep my contract. You see Erin our management in No. Hollywood has told me that AMR will not honor the service agreement. If that happens we will lose or union status and contract. That's the reason I am standing firm.

We went thru 2 strikes in 2001 and I was attack by AMR management. This issue with the petition is minor compare to what I been thru. AMR is really not a bad company to work for. If you change a few director, managers, and supervisor, it's really a good company.

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

Until I see it in writing otherwise, the letter of Louis Meyer stands as proof that AMR will and does honor the service agreement between IAEP and SEIU.

I have very much respect for our Ops Manager, but he is in managment position of AMR and therefore must rely any messages that AMR tells him too. Having said that, please keep in mind that AMR want's us to vote "non union" and as such will probably do anything to make sure we vote that way. Also, there has been repeated questioning about AMR funding NEMSA, and as of right now, I've not seen anything to dispute that question, except for NEMSA saying " Nuh huuuuuh", so, of course AMR would attempt to push us in a direction that behooves them. AMR is not beneath the notion of trying to better their situation in anyway they can, which is why we have a union to start with.

I agree that friends don't stab friends in the back... a piece of advice you should take to heart since in essance you are stabbing all of your coworkers in the back by not honoring their current wishes. If you haden't made it obvious that you didn't care if you had friends at work or not before, it sure as heck now is a fact that people don't trust you Carlos, and to me that is more important then having friends.

If you don't give into pressure from IAEP, AMR, or Torren, why are you going back on your "word" to honor the wishes of your coworkers. What fight do you believe in exactly? A fight for yourself or a fight for the members. Your honor apparently means nothing to you, but your pocket book does... I'm glad to see that you and your wife are accomplishing something in life.. but do you have to spell it out and brag about it? I know you think you are simply stating facts, but.. really.. I don't care what kind of car you drive nor if it's even paid off. You have all this great stuff.. which is.. great for lack of better words.. but most people here are struggling to pay off school loans and pay their rent. The last thing anyone wants in a situation like this is a list of wonderous material cr*p that a lier like you puts forth. Not to mention that the "facts" that you "tell..to your face" are obviously purely dependent upon whom you are speaking to, a fact based on the numerous different people who've told me that you've stated to them each a different story. I can't even sift through the different facts to try to puzzle out what exactly your point was to begin with there's so many of them.

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

Carlos I commend you for putting your daughter through college. I also commend you on supporting different charities each year. Really, that is great!!

However, if you are such an honorable man, then tell the truth, stand behind your word, and let people know they can trust you. That is all your co-workers and real friends ask for.

About AMR not recognizing a service agreement between SEIU and IAEP, where is your proof? We have proof that AMR has recognized it up North, and in the past. We are also aware of the fact that AMR does not want a union. Your Op's Manager himself, told me he did not and could not support a union. Of course they will tell you things like that. AMR even sent out a letter to you guys stating that NEMSA and SEIU/IAEP are just competing for your dues. Come on Carlos, wisen up.

Also, if they say they are not going to recognize a service agreement between SEIU/IAEP, then why in the hell would they recognize NEMSA as a union. Oh wait, did you guys do a side deal with AMR??? That would be the only real explaination.

It would not leave you guys without a Union. For someone who says he knows so much about Labor Law, you should know that they can't do that.

It is good that you "sponcer" kids that need help, however, why is it that you condone people making fun of kids that need help?

We don't really care what kind of car you and your wife drive, nor the size of your house. That doesn't affect the working conditions of North Hollywood. Stick to the facts Carlos.

Will you still be happy there if your co-workers vote in the service agreement between SEIU/IAEP??

I hope you, unlike other NEMSA advocates, will get over their jealous rage and continue to support yopur co-workers.

Good-Bye for now Carlos!

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COEMS1 · Veteran Member

Amy

Like you said many times before "Move On" get on with your life.

Next complant !!

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

One last note... if you had ever actually worked for different companies.. you would know that we have it very very good in our division when it comes to managment and supervision. Try going somewhere else and living through that before talking a whole lot of nothing about this division and how it's run. There are always kinks that need to be ironed out.. but this division is excellent. Don't give me the sob story of how AMR attacked you and all the boo hoo that they've put you through.. you were in a position of opposition, of course they are going to play hard ball, not to mention that they probably didn't respect you since you can never keep your stories straight........ you wanted the position of the lead fighter, and you go it with both barrels. I commend you for putting yourself in that postion, but using it as a platform to cry on about all the injustice of AMR... there are plently of other standpoints for that argument.

TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

Carlos,

What??

If you got rid of ANY Manager, Supervisor, or Op's Manager..... any employee would be lovin' life. Someone always has a complaint about the boss!

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Clear_my_side · Senior Member

Wow.. that was the best explaination you can give for all your twists and turns? I don't know about anyone else.. but I feel like I've been given the best I'm gonna get from Carlos.

As for my next "complant"..... I'll have to look up that word first and get back to you..... but as of right now...my only complaint is that Carlos has gone back on his word and honor. What a shame.

COEMS1 · Veteran Member

Amy

Your wrong. I did come from another division that was not union. I worked for L.A AMR before the union came in. I worked for Goodhew Ambulance before Medtrans, then AMR. I transfer to Glendale to join a union because working non-union stinks. I help bring in IAEP at that time. Then while in Glendale under SEIU 250 it was great getting rasies twice a year. In 2001 I took over the union because no one wanted it. With in a few months several more join and our stewards council was formed.

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

Excellent! That was an excellent review with real intellegence. Thank you Carlos! So you know that Brian is not a half bad Ops Manager.... although he does have to play by AMR's rules since he is in the position that he is in.. and you know that the open door policy of this division is quite literal..... Not a bad place to work here in North Hollywood, and of all the people in the world, I never thought I'd have something good to say about AMR or my place in it.. but this division has given me hope that there are still good people in the world.. and it's an honor to be here.

Play with My Money · Senior Member

It definitely improved our division when we ousted two directors. Without a doubt things are much improved with our current management group. I'm always afraid of who might be coming down the pike because it is so time consuming to deal with incompetancy and someone who power trips and disregards the contract.

Though I think valid points have been made for Carlos to come to terms with, phonetics is not one of them. The English language is nutty, and does not obey phonics. Plus, other languages phrase sentence structure differently.

Medic_One · Senior Member

So the hypocrisy continues. So you attack people that have learning disabilities and use programs like hooked on phonics. Yet you are so indignant about the short bus comments. In the real world that is called hypocrisy. Oh and I love how L-E-A-H picks on Carlos for the way he speaks and writes; an obvious racial slam on someone who speaks two primary languages Way to go. How very SEIU of you. What other races are you going to go after next?

Oh and Amy. In case you didn't know Lou Myer is not your CEO so what he does has no bearing on What Mitz does.

So what are you going to do now that AMR SO-CAL has stated they will not honor the service agreement? This is a real problem for you.

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

Hey MO... ever hear of a thing called "precedence"? That's what the Meyer letter represents.. you really believe that a company that recognizes the service agreement for 2400 employee's is going to bother with the legal ramifications that will insue should they even attempt to deny the same to the 120 employee's of North Hollywood? ( and the CEOs name for SoCal is Dave... not "what".... I did notice that fact that Louis is the CEO for NorCal.. hence the title "Chief Executive Officer North-West Plains Region")

And how is pointing out Carlos's obvious lack of ability to grasp the concept of the english language a jab at his race? How long has he been in America? How long has he been speaking English? I've heard him speak and, unless you're trying to pick out actual facts and truth, his sentence structure is pretty good! In my opinion, pulling the race card is a sure sign that you have nothing else to argue with and you are grasping at straws for a foot to stand on.... Not to mention that if his posts are any indication of how his PCR's look, he'd best hope that he never has to go to court and defend a case, because the jabbs he's getting here will be small pickings compared to what a defense lawyer will throw at him.

By the way, who are you to be pointing the finger of hypocricy? You yourself are the king and emperor of the kingdom of hypocrits.. if you want to point a finger, look in the mirror and take a good look beforehand, that right there is the very definition of hypocricy.

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TheCuteCat · Veteran Member

Hey Medic One,

To your surprise, I also speak two primary languages. It was in no way a racial slam.

Perhaps you are right when you say "How SEIU of you." I have found out from several different people that Torren had a racial problem when he was a Rep for SEIU. I guess he has set the precedance, uh?

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

huummmmmmm.. hypocricy.. Remember this post Aaron....

"Hmmm... Tell me "dude", if I were to run this through spell check, what would happen? Not only that, if you were trying to communicate with someone in , say spanish, how would YOUR spelling be? also, Did you know Einstein could spell worth a penny? and if this IS the best you can come up with, I look upon you with the deepest sympathy..." Dated August 27 under the topic "we got a smart one here"...

Oh and this one too....

"Again, if that is the best you guys can come up with.... By the way Chump, still, your spelling...." Also dated Aug. 27 under the same heading....

Let's not forget this one as well shall we...

"Really, Chump,

Is that all you read, Selective Illiteracy maybe, you ought to go see a doctor for that, and get a chill pill while you're at it..." Dated Aug. 27 under the topic "nemsa is turning into a nazi regime!"

now what did you say about stones??

Forfend · Senior Member

MEDIC DUH

You have been iced!

You need a good comeback.

Try one of my favorites:

You better get your poop in a group before you step on the field.

That is so righteous! Come on man! Bring the awesome quotes back!

Old Rhino · Veteran Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Clear_my_side
"huummmmmmm.. hypocricy.. Remember this post Aaron.... "Hmmm... Tell me "dude", if I were to run this through spell check, what would happen? Not only that, if you were trying to communicate with someone in , say spanish, how would YOUR spelling be? also, Did you know Einstein could spell worth a penny? and if this IS the best you can come up with, I look upon you with the deepest sympathy..." Dated August 27 under the topic "we got a smart one here"... Oh and this one too.... "Again, if that is the best you guys can come up with.... By the way Chump, still, your spelling...." Also dated Aug. 27 under the same heading.... Let's not forget this one as well shall we... "Really, Chump, Is that all you read, Selective Illiteracy maybe, you ought to go see a doctor for that, and get a chill pill while you're at it..." Dated Aug. 27 under the topic "nemsa is turning into a nazi regime!" now what did you say about stones?? "

What in the hell are you talking about. I didn't write any of those quotes

Forfend · Senior Member

The content of those quotes is the legion of cult followers known as NEMSITES. They all made a lot of fantasitic quotes. I'm glad you put them there under my post to ICE/Medic One.

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

Ummm yeah ya did Old Rhino.. look back on about page 10 of this site and you'll see both of those topics and.. there they are.. in black and white.... your words.. unless of course you allow others to post under your login name......

Old Rhino · Veteran Member

Amy, you had better go back and check your facts here.....You are thinking of NEMSA lover not me.....We use the same Icon.....I did not say those quotes

Clear_my_side · Senior Member

I did just notice that.. I do apologize most humbly.... I saw the pic and ran. So Sorry.

Forfend · Senior Member

the DTs are at it again

Come on guys, you know that we stand to make a lot of money on this once this gets going

Not a direct quote but the theme lives on

I guess that is why we took our money and ran, ran, ran!

We're still running.