An olive branch was put out by those members that supported IAEP to all those that voted NEMSA.
Those that supported NEMSA who have visited this forum bit that olive branch and spit it on the ground, continuing to peck like chickens at that olive branch.
An olive branch is that what you call it.....I’ve seen no olive branches....All I’ve seen is a bunch of people telling other people to get over it.....And then spout off about what a majority they have won by and that this is what the people want....Well IAEP has won nothing....They are not certified....So I don’t like hearing it’s a done deal....Conform, conform, conform..Is your montra....Nasty things have been said by NEMSA and IAEP supporters alike....Until IAEP can deal on a level of honesty, I feel they are fair game.....You got 660 votes out of 2400 people..And you didnt even get a majority of the votes cast...yet you feel in powered to control all....IAEP came here without being asked, We did not get a say if we wanted them here or not....Then they misrepresented themselves for 2 weeks to get people to vote for them. "We are not NAGE we are IAEP were EMS only" "We cant sign the terms of the debate because they say NAGE on them" Now its "Oh yeah were NAGE, so"......Then it was "Your dues are going to go down"....Now its we may have to keep the dues the same to make this thing work.....Kerry for president, when everyone was ****ed that L250 was backing him.....On and on.....Its only been a month since the vote....IAEP isn’t even certified to represent us yet and the cloak is already starting to come off....Many people don’t feel IAEP has the right to be here nor do they like how IAEP does business, its structure.....They are not going to let SEIU IAEP screw us like SEIU L250......They are not chickens, they are watchdogs......You had better get used to them cause they are not going away anytime soon.
No one has told you to get over it. I don't ever remember seeing that written. But we are going to move on, that's all there is to it.
We have extended an olive branch many times to you folks. You refuse.
Here comes another one. Very soon, we will be announcing the dates for the By-Laws meetings. You will all be advised where and when these meetings will occur.
The olive branch has been the welcoming of people and their ideas. Unfortunately, personal attacks took priority over solution and unity.
Conform? I was flattered when I heard John Borsos said that paramedics and EMTs are arrogant, aloof, and non-conformists.
NEMSAs concept was not that different from the established IAEP structure. What is it that you do not want to conform to? What you don't like are the affiliations. A lot of members don't mind them.
The reason to go forward is that 250 is not decertified. There is an IAEP service agreement. You disagree with the mechanism that brought this into being. I think it was sound. The olive branch is also a call to join in establishing the structure for the welfare of the members and to facilitate democracy. When the NLRB makes it ruling, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
I would much rather have watchdogs, with the best interest of the members in mind, than chicken fights.
I for one am glad that there are angry, frustrated people out there because at times there's nothing quite like a good ol' fire in the gut to motivate us all to affect real change.
I welcome the critics.
Looking at potential problems such as IAEP finances is a good critical start. So bring it on, bring the criticisms, but make sure that you bring on good workable treatment plan also. We need ideas, we need solutions.
That is the problem. There is no workable plan coming from Old Rhino or Thymes. Just criticism for the sake of criticizing. They have no intention whatsoever of contributing to this union. There is no validity in their criticism when they are obviously desperately trying to hold on to NEMSA.
They have but one play left, discredit EVERYTHING we do, despite how great it is, hoping that they might get a re-vote from the NLRB.
If the criticism is done with the focus of improving our union then I agree, bring it on. However alot of the criticism from Rhino, Vernon, and Medic one is aimed at degrading, and destroying this union effort and nobody should have to tollerate people trying to destroy their hard work.
And hey Rhino, if you werent paying attention there were many olive branches offered from both sides after the vote but before the count. I copied all of them and would be happy to send them to you. Both sides agreed to work together but now that NEMSA lost thier biggest supporters and the biggest supporters of unity before the vote count are going back on that pledge. Stacy had stated he was pro unity and would work with whatever side won. Was that only because he expected to win and wanted us to play nice as the losers? seems like it because now the IAEP has won he is refusing to participate in IAEP. what happened to unity? what happened to working together no matter who wins? we are not 3rd graders. there is no need to pack up your toys and go home when things dont turn out exactly like you want them to. Swallow you pride and try to help out. bring some positive energy to the effort. We all fight a common enemy. we shouldnt also be trying to fight each other.
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You may not be 3rd graders, but you sure cannot read. What exactly did IEAP win? If you say the vote then you really don't know how to read.
I will ask this direct question: Was IAEP on the ballot?
There will be no moving on. The honest and integral people who understand the corruption are not going to stand idly by and let an all out injustice be perpetrated on us. IAEP is illegitimate and was brought here by the same self-serving people that want us to just "move on" These self appointed kings and queens are not going to get away with it. Charges have been filed, the member's aren't buying it and are therefore not going to be motivated to get behind a fraud union with Hughie, Dewy and Louie running it. You say lets get involved and change the things we don’t like…Well guess what? We are. The first order of business is to get rid of the back room illegitimate fraud IAEP.
I'm beginning to wonder if you yourself can read since the service agreement was handed out, mailed out, and discussed on more then one occasion in more than one forum before and after the vote. I wonder if you even understand what "service agreement" is....
by the way.. I love how you continue to say that the majority of your peers voting = fraud and illegitimacy..... They all can read.. and they all had an understanding of what "service agreement" means.. not to mention the fact that even if people, on the unlikely chance, didn't know that the vote for SEIU was a vote for IAEP to affect the current contract.. they still didn't vote for NEMSA.... And if they truely believed that SEIU was the union to vote for, they would appreciate the fact that SEIU recognizes that it is not capable nor equipped in dealing with the needs of EMS... and therefore has allowed a union with the resources, knowledge, and history of dealing with EMS, because it is an EMS only union, to affect a contract that they recognize as something the members want to keep.
Having said that.. let me reittorate yet again that every and all efforts were made to contact each and every member of the bargaining unit to give them this information. And should the chance have happened that IAEP did not touch on each member at one time or another, mailings were sent out, phone calls were made, and there is that deep pool of word of mouth and gossip as a last resort to at least alert everyone that "something" was going on... not to mention postings in the union posting cabinets at all the stations with information and phone numbers in them. There were outlets to gather the information if it was needed and channels in place to clear up any conerns and questions about the service agreement.. before and after the vote. If you didn't utilize these facilities, then... who's fault is that... not either Union's.. and indeed, that statement is for everyone who feels uninformed. You can't make someone read something when they keep their eyes closed or tell them information when they plug their ears. Some people like not knowing what is going on.. and those people most probably didn't vote.......
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Continue to resist joining together just hurts the average worker like myself. What happens to the employee that can't have a legitimate representative for protection against unjust discipline?
Please don't strangle me folks, but there is one point I'd like to make.
I will say this much for Old Rhino (Aaron Pelican), he has always posted with his real identity. I don't know about you folks, but that goes a long way with me. Those times when I've been face to face with him, he has always stood his ground and was never derogatory with me personally. I'm not going to go back and read every single post between us, but going out on a limb, I don't think he has ever attacked me personally on here either. I think he has been sarcastic, but most of us have been guilty of that, myself included.
But, I sure wish we could find some common ground and move on. But, in all reality, I don't see that happening with the objections in place. As long as they are there, they will still feel like they have a glimmer of hope.
My question for Aaron is this: If the regional NLRB decision is to come back and say NEMSA's objections have no merit, will you at that point, join our efforts constructively? (that actually goes to any of those folks still supporting NEMSA).
I enjoy my secret identity and I don't care about how far credibility goes with electric communicators.
It keeps me from the personal attacks. You know, like having a huge ego or being just an EMT or fleeing from a lawsuit or knifing somebody in the back or living at home or not being experienced enough or being too young. Boy, I sure want to hurry up and identify myself.
I do not believe your objections will hold water, but if they do, and you are granted a re-election/run-off, and then you win that, my promise holds true from the evry beginning. I will be an active shop steward for whoever is at the helm. As it turns out, the people have voted for IAEP, which is now my family, for whom I will fight. For now, it is in the hands of the NLRB.
