I was just wondering how things were going for the San Mateo medics and members in the Oak Valley contracts since NEMSA was voted in. I haven't heard from anyone who has identified themselves as employee's of either contract and I'd like to hear about how they feel they are being represented and if things have improved for them since their votes, pay, benifits, OT, perks/bonuses, the FD's promised attempts to take over, and if their shop stewards were offered the same positions that the other's were if NEMSA was voted in.. and do they actually have those promised positions, and how much do they get paid.. if the buisness will allow that info to be divulged. These members have been curiously silent since the vote, and I'd like to hear their side and ideas of how things really are going. I'm tired of hearing the constant blah blah blah from those that THINK they know how NEMSA runs it's contracts and hear from those that are actually living it.
*NOTE* I'd like to NOT hear all the put downs and degredation that is the constant from the NEMSA wanna be members, and hear from the actual NEMSA members and get their point of views and feelings on the environment since the vote happened in their specific area's. This is not written in sarcasim nor to open the door for the actual NEMSA members to be tied to a post and given 100 lashes with the whip. I honestly want to know from them their point of view. I think it will shed a lot of light on what NEMSA can actually do and what promises they are able to pony up to, and also lend some credibility to NEMSA instead of the constant spoutings of passionate zealots who wish they were in the church of NEMSA instead of a part of the union voted in by the majority of their coworkers.
Just a thought and an "olive branch" to those who can tell us the actual, proven truth of the practices of NEMSA.
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
I could care less what those people are doing. What I want to know is who gave the 2 people the right to decide for me that IAEP was my union? Don't even start with this majority crud, because IAEP was not on the ballot and 250 did not receive a majority. Get off of it already and address the real issues. How did IAEP get here? Why were two people allowed to decide for the rest of us?
This is at the core of the issue, not what NEMSA members are doing. I doubt they are reading this pathetic message board and are thankful that they have an established union that they voted on quite decisively. 82% in San Mateo, 100% in Oak Valley and don't forget the one vote IAEP/250 got at first responder. So far NEMSA is 3 - 0 against 250/IAEP and are about to be 4 - 0 when the run off happens.
Thank you for your insight... but as I said before... I'd like to hear from the people that are actually members of NEMSA.. not the wannabe members.
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
although.. FYI...first responder voted "no union"... is NEMSA challenging that vote outcome as well?
unless NEMSA is counting the votes they are attempting to challenge as wins, it's not 4-0... I believe the tally is 2-2
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Sssooooooo.... just to clear this up...........NEMSA wins the votes in San Mateo and Oak Valley, uncontested... aaaaannnnnnnnnnddddd.... First Responder votes "no union" and it passes as the no union ballot count was 1 ballot more then the count for NEMSA... aaaaannnnnnnddddd... IAEP is the recognized winning union by AMR for the NorCal contract, and unofficial winner per the NLRB, pending the 38 contested votes by NEMSA, which even if they are all found to be in favor of NESMA, still doesn't give them the higher number count of votes in the end......and NEMSA wants a revote which... let's face it.. is not likely to happen no matter how hard you cry............ and even if it does.. it would be a loooooong time from now.. the people will have seen how NEMSA runs it's buisness (assuming anyone from San Mateo or Oak Valley is allowed to express their opinions)..... and enjoyed the continuation of their current contract and perhaps have had a renegotiation of a new contract under their belt with IAEP........mmmm... but.. then you never know with people do you.....
I'm sorry.. I just don't see how 1+1=4 wins for NEMSA.. it's awfully presumptuous to count your chickens before they hatch don't you think.... no pun intended by the way....in believing that you will win the challenged votes.. not to mention arrogant. I'm seeing a trend of spinning the facts, since you obviously believe that we all can't add.......
-- Edited by Clear_my_side at 00:15, 2004-10-06
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
excellent explaination and clearing up..it all makes sense now ().... Thanks
So. Back to the reason why I started this thread.... is there anyone who can attest to the actual workings of NEMSA who actually works as a blue collar, in the field member, and not a wanna be member. Perhaps they could tell us in better logic then the above on how things are going for them since the vote. Or perhaps if someone knows a current NEMSA field employee member, they could encourage them to come on over and give us their opinion on how well they like their situation.. completely open here, with the white flag out and everything. I think there's a lot of people who check this site who'd like to know from acutal members the real goings on since their votes.... (by the way, I say "blue collar" in regards to the blue shirts that most EMS personel where.. if they have different color shirts in those divisions, I do apologize.)
-- Edited by Clear_my_side at 07:15, 2004-10-06
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Im doubting that the San Mateo and Oak Valley people are logging on to this site since they are active members of NEMSA and must be happy with what they voted in to their county. Im sure they have a web site somewhere that they communicate on.. IAEP might not even be something they want to log onto or get involved in. Just a thought..all your get from this thread probably is NEMSA supporters from other counties.
You're probably right, Kathy. I was kind of afraid of that, but I figured I'd make a shot in the dark and see if some facts could be given from real NEMSA members... I'm crossing my fingers!!! But not holding my breath.. heh heh
I'd like to mention also.... what a breath of fresh air you are Kathy!!! I think a lot of us have gotten so embroiled that we may have lost our perspective of sanity, and have let the frustrations and attacks get to us and have sunk lower then the height what we once held ourselves up to. I for one am going to make a concious effort to take a breath and count to three before (or even if) responding to the current taste of posts.
Thanks again! And have a great day!
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Sorry to sound a little harsh amy, but why are you even communicating with vermin anymore? Can't you tell they are communicating, reasoning, and counting on a 3rd grade level? They are here to disrupt, I suggest not communicating with them anymore, it is just going to frustrate you more. It is hard to reason logic with someone who is acting on pure emotion. We are ready to move forward, and I hope you guys in glendale are also. Hopefully we will get to see you again up here sometime.
San Mateo went NEMSA so that they could join the IAFF without Article XX and XXI restrictions. San Mateo was supposed to set the tone for the election for the Core Counties. Oh well, it didn't work. So now we have IAEP instead of NEMSA and we are better off for it. San Mateo will become part of another bargaining unit now and NEMSA will have Oak Valley. The flaming is going hard in San Mateo.
Point well taken Nate.. and not it wasn't harsh... Like I said.. from now on I'm going to make an effort to take a deep breath and count to 3 before responding to posts written in the flavor of those like Vernon writes... not worth the time or elevated blood pressure any longer as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't not respond well to civility, and I'm so tired of his idiocy..think I'll just scroll down his posts from now on instead.
So Forfend.. since you are the only one who seems to have any glimmer of facts about what's going on in San Mateo, or aleast the only one who's offered any light them.... could you give us some details? What's going on with the IAFF pushes, pay, shop stewards stipens, etc.
Just curious.....
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
For someone who wants to ignore me Nate you sure private message me allot.
Emotion Nate? Please. What logic do you bring?
What experience do you have? What is your labor background? How many negotiations have you been involved in?
How many times have you been in the same room as Lou Meyer or Bob Z?
Nate you and everyone around you do not have the slightest clue. That is why no one is showing up at you meetings Nate. No body will Nate. Good luck in 06 bargaining without a workforce behind you. The union is only as strong as its members unity an guess what Nate? You have none.
What are you talking about Vernon? Who cares if you have sat across from Bob Z? I don't care if you are able to "negotiate" with Lou Meyer. Remember, even union leaders are expendable. An earlier post by NEMSA Lover spoke of how we could decert NEMSA if they didn't do their job. Obviously union reps are replaceable and expendable. NEMSA Lover is not a life long partner either if divorce is so easy.
How many times have I sat in the same room as Bob Z? well by far more times then you have, maybe an average of 2-3 times a week for this entire summer plus more. What are you even talking about? How many times have you negotiated a contract? the answer is zero. Randy negotiated our last contract, no one else did. Other stewards had input, but randy negotiated it. As to who is going to negotiate our next contract, did I ever say I was going to? what gave you that idea? Do I think I could have a few comments to input to whoever negotiates it for us? the answer is yes. Why do you guys keep bringing up that lame comment about my negotiating experience? Who in my county has ever negotiated a contract? no one. I know Bob Z quite better then you do also, so get a a clue. Also, if your condemening everyone around me by saying they don't know anything, arent you kinda alienating yourself by saying that? Nice try comming on here and lying by saying you voted for L250, we don't really trust liers which is why we never gave you the oppurtunity to run our representation, sorry. You obviously become offended when I private messaged you because you could not respond to it. You know your comments on here have been disgusting and rude at best, and you are not able to back them up. You don't even post your name because of your coward and hostile like nature. You are trying your best to break up the unit, but despite your SCAB activity I believe the majority of members will see the best thing is to stay strong, despite what your almighty thoughts think. Also, when you feel the time is right, I will be more then happy to sit in a room across from you and have a conversation about all this stuff, let me know when is a good time.
Sorry to butt in here. I have a quick question to our ill-bred friend, Vernon. Were you at the election for First Responder? IAEP wasn't even on the ballot!
However, I do agree with Nate. There is no rationalizing with someone who's thought process is unrational. The implulse that drives someone like Vernon, must become quite taxing. An iconoclast like himself, will fall sooner or later.
P.S. Vernon, you should really jump off the NEMSA wagon. It is long gone and won't be back!
P.P.S. I believe NEMSA is 2-2. 2 wins (Oak Valley and San Mateo). 2 losses (Northern California and First Responder). However, NEMSA has filed many objections for both elections. Those objections do not allow them an automatic win.
1+1 DOES NOT equal 4....
I am sure Vernon will continue to have plenty to say. Moreover, I am sure he will have plenty to say, regarding this post. So be it!
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Moreover, I am sure he will have plenty to say, regarding this post. So be it! 
