Amy:

 In my best english. That was one of the best argument that an IAEP supporter has said in the past few weeks. Bravo Amy. Well said. That's not putting you down. That's me saying that what you should be preaching to the members. I do respect your piont of views. Bravo.

 You brought tears to my eyes

Well Amy you wrote allot but said very little.  NEMSA has shown that they can and have done the job.  Oak valley, San Mateo, First Responder.  NEMSA took off in Feb and took SEIU, the largest Healthcare workers union in the country to school and they did it with very little resources.  They have been on the offensive since there inception proving to the world that they are afraid of no-one.  They got over 60 members to picket 250 headquarters.  They completely annihilated 15 years of Local 250 causing SEIU international to step in, take over and get their enemy IAEP to come in.  SEIU had to spend over 1 million dollars; and get the insurance trust the firefighters and finally IAEP to bail them out and they still had to do it illegally.

NEMSA has done more organizing, has gathered more support and respect in the last 7 months than IAEP has done since 1992 or 250 since 1989.  Take a look around; the only reason you have a message board to post on is because of NEMSA.  The only reason you people are even having a dialog is because of NEMSA.  The only reason EMS is even on the radar scope of SEIU is because they are afraid NEMSA will do what they have said they will do.  Whether you like them or not NEMSA has already changed EMS.  The fact of the matter is NEMSA should have never been able to get this far.  Do you understand that it is not the unorganized that NEMSA has taken.  It is the strong holds of SEIU.  If you know anything about war you know when you cannot protect your own forts and have to spend all your resources and energy keeping what you have you have big problems and you know that you are facing an opponent that isn’t just packing a pee shooter.  When NEMSA started SEIU had 3 more units than they have now and have all but lost control of the biggest unit they have, and it looks like it will be re-voted sooner or later so NEMSA has not lost yet to SEIU.  SEIU has to keep spending countless $$ and hours just to stay above water.  Now they are in the fight for their lives in LA and in about a year they will be trying to hold onto Local one in Boston.  So who is in the driver’s seat?  None of NEMSA's areas are under attack and they are organizing without resistance.  Who ever thinks NEMSA is not a force to be reckoned with better talk to SEIU.  Sal couldn’t stop them David Holloway can’t stop them do you think AMR has a chance?

You people need to look around you.  Weather you like it or not NEMSA is the reason all this is happening.  NEMSA is kicking A$$ with a fraction of the resources of SEIU because it has the leadership.  I am not talking about myself, Tim “hack man” Bonifay or the NEMSITES you people keep sparing with. I am talking bout the real NEMSA leadership, that despite your best efforts, you could never even come close to accomplishing a fraction of what they have already done. I have seen and spoken with the official NEMSA leaders and they are men of faith that truly want what is best for EMS across this country and that is why they will get it.  If NEMSA can do all this without all the SEIU resources what do you think they could accomplish with them?

You are truly missing the boat here.  Your own personal egos have clouded your vision.  NEMSA isn’t trying to be king they are trying to give EMS to EMS not to SEIU.

I know whose camp I would rather be in.

Vernon,

Are you Torren?

This is true, nemsa forced the issue of representation and forced the labor group to wrestle with its future. I've stated this many times before. However, that is part of the whole story. One of the biggest problems that kept arising, is that the "son" seiu raised, was very much like his parents. Evident in the spin at the top of your post. There were not 60 people protesting. There were about 20, including children and spouses.

Tim was in charge of negotiations with Oak Valley's contract set to expire April 8th. Tim resigned February 25th. San Mateo was interesting on many accounts. The stewards changed their position from 250 to nemsa three weeks before the vote, with gaining fire jobs being an over-riding issue.

Is that all you got to come back with? First responder is non-union?

Well my friend you walked right into what I wanted you to.  Now lets quote you "Until NEMSA is their official reps you are lying about who NEMSA is representing."

Now lets take this to our current situation: IAEP was not on the ballot and the labor board has not declared a winner, so to go with your logic;  Until IAEP is our official reps you all need to stop lying about who is representing us!

 

OHHHH that's gotta hurt!!

 

 Thank you please drive through!

This is a different issue. Pending NLRB ruling, 250 is not de-certified. There is a service agreement. We already know your position on that; but, go ahead and restate it, as I'm sure you will.

Wow you really got me on that one.  Oh...  My... Gosh...  you guys Vernon is so smart that even thought AMR recognizes IAEP as our representatives, he is able to see throught that smokescreen, and realizes that until the vote is finalized by the NLRB we have no representation.  Oh wait, thats not right is it.  Until the Vote is finalized we still have our old bargaining agent (250) who has a legal service contract with our current rep group (IAEP).  This issue is so old and if you dont understand what is legal and our current reality than you are beyond help.  IAEP is our official rep right now.  If the NLRB rules that the vote was corrupted and NEMSA actually won then IAEP will not be our rep.  But in the meantime they are.  I am not lying.  Come up with something new.  Try sounding smart for a change.  Listen to facts.  Not the facts you make up to support your outlandish claims but reality.  Its tough when things dont always go our way. 

I'm sorry.. my ears and eyes are bleeding from the continued rhetoric..

I think I'm talking about the vote in which First Responder voted "no union".. and the vote that is awaiting certification by the NLRB in regards to the NorCal vote.. a vote that I might note, NEMSA did not get the most votes in ( ie 660 vs 604 I think it was) and it's continued lack of grace and courtesy to allow that vote to be honored by the members that cast ballots, and to let them carry on with the buisness of starting their new Local, but instead keeps trying to trip them up by tugging at the rug they are standing on.

Try again next time when you can actually prove to the members that you deserve their vote and support, which by the way.... that time is not now. Get some history and clout behind your words instead of a lot of put downs and empty blaaahhhhhhhhh........ Then come back to the table and perhaps I'll reconsider your candidate as viable in the realm of EMS. But once again.. that time is not now.........

Everyone! SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh!!! shMOe is speaking!!!!! this might be the moment he actually gets us all to respect him and take into consideration that he might have a valid and factual point to make...

Better than that, since the L-A-W behind IAEP being our reps has been explianed on this site ad nauseum, why dont you explain to us the L-A-W behind why you think they are not our reps?  That should be good reading.  You are the one claiming to be a veritable labor lawyer on this issues.  Go ahead and WOW! us genius.

Good response there Mr. 90210.  You can't do it can you?  That is what I thought.  Amy can't back up her claims either.  Well it just goes to the consistent theme of IAEP and their sheep.  None of you can back up anything you say.  And no Bradley no one has explained anything with statute to back it up there sippy boy, but why try something new right?

What Amy don't know the answer?  Is the person at IAEP, that tells you what to think, gone to bed for the night?

 

-- Edited by Medic_One at 23:15, 2004-10-11