Incredible as it seems, US soldiers in the Persian Gulf have been asked to pray for Bush and his advisors. They may be the ones facing danger on the battlefield, but US soldiers in Iraq are being asked to pray for President George W Bush.
They are also asked to fill in a postcard-like form that declares their commitment to pray for Bush, and to mail it to the White House. Further, they are given specific prayers to recite each day of the week;
MONDAY’S prayer reads: "Pray that the President and his advisors will be strong and courageous to do what is right, regardless of critics." As you’ll see, the wording gets worse as the week progresses.
This is the bright idea of In Touch Ministries, an Evangelical Christian media giant that broadcast "the word" in 30 languages across the world. They thought up the idea, they wrote the prayers, and they’re the ones that are passing out leaflets to US soldiers, telling them of "A Christian Duty in Time of War". The USA President, the White House and Pentagon have officially given their full permission and fully concurred that this should be done.
Never mind that it is the soldiers themselves who are in need of prayers (not to mention the Iraqi people), after all, they’re the ones who face mortal danger and lasting illness. In Touch Ministries think that it’s Bush, Wolfowitz and their like who need prayers for their safety and health, and they think that these prayers should also be coming from the US soldiers.
The following is the remainder of the week’s prescribed prayers. I leave you to read them, and to think about them. They are indicative of the times we live in, and of the powers under which we live in these times.
TUESDAY: Pray that the President and his advisors have the unified support of the American people as well as of other countries around the world.
WEDNESDAY: Pray that the President and his advisors and their families will be safe, healthy, well-rested, and free from fear.
THURSDAY: Pray that the President and his advisors will be successful in their mission and that world peace will be realized.
FRIDAY: Pray that the President and his advisors will recognize their divine appointment, and will govern accordingly to compassion, mercy, and truth.
SATURDAY: Pray that the President and his advisors will remember to keep their eyes on the Almighty God and be mindful that He is in control.
SUNDAY: Pray that the President and his advisors will seek God And His wisdom daily and not rely on their own understanding.
"Please god, wi-wi-will you ple- please gi-give Georg-George Bush- the str-strength, to fi-fi-finnish his lo-lobster sa-salad..................................................
quote: Originally posted by: STRIFE "Dying soldiers last words.... "Please god, wi-wi-will you ple- please gi-give Georg-George Bush- the str-strength, to fi-fi-finnish his lo-lobster sa-salad.................................................. Ok now I may die.""
You are mocking U.S. Soldiers Dying on the battlefield, You IAEP piece of Sh*t. Iaep does not support our troops. They make fun of them. I'm A Vet. I was in Gulf war 1, People dying is your idea of a joke. People are losing their lives ****. You had better hope I dont ever meet up with your sorry ass again. You IAEP people make me sick.
Actually I am mocking that they are being asked to pray for Bush while THEY are the ones risking their lives, this one isn't that hard to figure out. And it really is true, just go to the link.
quote: Originally posted by: The Rat Killer "You are mocking U.S. Soldiers Dying on the battlefield, You IAEP piece of Sh*t. Iaep does not support our troops. They make fun of them. I'm A Vet. I was in Gulf war 1, People dying is your idea of a joke. People are losing their lives ****. You had better hope I dont ever meet up with your sorry ass again. You IAEP people make me sick. "
Its a little strange that the soldiers would be asked to pray for the president but its even more strange that they have to fill out a card and mail it to the white house to prove that they are doing it. How insecure is W? He needs people to prove that they are praying for him? What exactly should they pray for? Pray that he has the strength and wisdom to cut $14.5 Billion from the veterans budget? I support our troops, not the system that forces them to fight a war so Bush and Co can make a few extra millions. My roomate is a Vet, he was deployed on the Lincoln in the longest deployment since Vietnam, one of my good friends is a SEAL with 1 tour in afghanastan and 2 so far in Iraq. I dont think a soldier dying is a joke. I think soldiers being put into those situation and their commander in chief REQUIRING them to prove that they pray for him is about as unamerican as you get. KINGS require people to pray for them. I dont want an insecure pouty autocrat in power and that is what Strife was making fun of.
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quote: Originally posted by: STRIFE "Dying soldiers last words.... "Please god, wi-wi-will you ple- please gi-give Georg-George Bush- the str-strength, to fi-fi-finnish his lo-lobster sa-salad.................................................. Ok now I may die.""
No way pal this one is over the top. You have now crossed over the line. I do not care about your feelings about the war or about mocking Bush. This is your idea of humor and it is about as disgusting as you can get. Then your pal Brad comes on to defend the indefensible.
Joking about soldiers dying is by far the all time lowest, gutter dragging display of utter stupidity I have seen in my life. And you set yourself up as a leader of IAEP. I want no part of it. I am also going to be communicating your and IAEP's hatred for Vets, for widows and thier orphaned children to the VFW.
Lets see how you justify to them your "mocking" of dead americans
I once did a lot of vet transfers back when we had a lot of disturbed young men to choose from. They suffered at the hands of Vietnam, their government, and their society. These soldiers had a pretty bad time coming home.
One thing that always haunted me:
A vet told me that he would have never survived his third tour of duty if it had not been for the kids at home fighting to end the war.
I have never forgotten the deep appreciation that vet had for the rebellious youth that fought our government to end the war.
My God, Vern, do you really believe that the IAEP hates veterans. I am beginning to notice that you take pride in doing more harm then good. You must be one hell of an EMT.
quote: Originally posted by: Vernon Thymes " No way pal this one is over the top. You have now crossed over the line. I do not care about your feelings about the war or about mocking Bush. This is your idea of humor and it is about as disgusting as you can get. Then your pal Brad comes on to defend the indefensible. Joking about soldiers dying is by far the all time lowest, gutter dragging display of utter stupidity I have seen in my life. And you set yourself up as a leader of IAEP. I want no part of it. I am also going to be communicating your and IAEP's hatred for Vets, for widows and thier orphaned children to the VFW. Lets see how you justify to them your "mocking" of dead americans Your a class act Nate! "
"Indefensible"? No more so than a President who sits in his comfortable chair of supreme and unquestionable power and sends the people of this country off to fight and possibly die. But thats not enough, while they are overseas selflessly sacrificing their time and even their lives to protect our way of life, President Bush gives them prayer books guilt tripping them into proving that they pray for him while they are the ones in true danger. The book is even called "a soldiers duty". Praying for Bush is not a soldiers duty! Praying for the soldiers is Bush's duty and all of our duties. I think the soldiers have proved their dedication to this country and its president by being willing to go overseas and fight, why should they be required to do more than that and made to feel guilty about praying for their President. There is no hatred for Vets being shown here. And if you want I would be happy to go down to the local VFW office with you and talk with our Vets about these issues. We can bring these posts and see what the people who have actually fought in a ground war have to say about it.
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And did you see the Wednesday prayer. Praying that Bush and his family would be free from fear. Meanwhile these young mostly 18-24 year olds are being shot at and bombed daily. I would rather see every american given a prayer book and have the wednesday prayer be for our troops to be free from fear and free from the threat of death and that we might bring them home safely and not ask them to make the sacrifices that they are so willing to make. If Bush is fearful at all, good, we have young kids being shot at daily. Im fearful for them and Bush should be too.
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"It's time to awake, get up and fight, fight for mankind, live for a cause" The Pilfers
quote: Originally posted by: STRIFE "Dying soldiers last words.... "Please god, wi-wi-will you ple- please gi-give Georg-George Bush- the str-strength, to fi-fi-finnish his lo-lobster sa-salad.................................................. Ok now I may die.""
I should probably also clarify that I would not post something like this because it can obviously be interpreted in a number of unforvorable ways and I dont like to leave my posts open to that much interpretation. It is interesting to me that when the Tim B letter came out all of you NEMSA supporters defended his right to talk about assaulting people with knives, anally raping people with processed meat products, and chokeing and killing children, but as soon as you can spin an IAEP supporters comments in a negative light its "Indefensible". The defense for this post is based on how you interpret its message, there was only one way to interpret Tims letter because it was about as unmbigous as you get. And yet all of you thought it was appropriate to defend him. I would not make a post like the one you see above but I also do not think it is "mocking" the loss of life that war requires.
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You are mocking U.S. Soldiers Dying on the battlefield, You IAEP piece of Sh*t. Iaep does not support our troops. They make fun of them. I'm A Vet. I was in Gulf war 1, People dying is your idea of a joke. People are losing their lives ****. You had better hope I dont ever meet up with your sorry ass again. You IAEP people make me sick.......Rat Killer
I find it ridiculous that I should have to clarify this. The IAEP totally supports all of the American troops, and their allies, in every country we currently find ourselves in, from the Phillipines to Afghanistan. There will always be individuals within any union that would be potentially against military action for whatever their reasons are. However, once the decision is made to put our troops in harm's way, we will always support our Armed Forces. Simultaneously, and in true American fashion, there must be room to criticize the President for any decisions he may make. This, in no way shape or form, is a reflection upon our troops. You, RK, have failed to make and understand that distinction. You have grossly misinterpreted this thread and are obviously attempting to be as inflammatory as possible, which is in true NEMSA fashion. NEMSA supporters have repetitively used rhetoric on here and in public (Bonifay's letter) that have been violent, sexually perverse, and degrading towards specific groups such as children with MD. It is obvious you will go to great lengths to misinterpret and twist our words in hopes to make up for lost ground.
I am not in charge of this message forum. I do not have any control over what is typed. I believe in allowing people their points of view, even when it challenges IAEP. But violence should not be condoned, regardless of how strongly that individual feels. You had better hope I dont ever meet up with your sorry ass again. You IAEP people make me sick.......Rat Killer. This is a direct threat of violence towards one of our members. This will not be tolerated. If this continues, then I would hope that there be actions taken to prevent this from occurring in the future. Your words are not a negative reflection on any member of IAEP or IAEP as a whole. The reflection is upon you personally, and NEMSA as an organization.
I am glad you speak for IAEP. Your number one groupie Nate comes out and mocks soldiers dying in the name of IAEP and you justify it and then try to say that it is ok because Tim Bonifay sent an e-mail. What kind of weak action is that Mr. President? Also where exactly is the threat from Ratkiller? I sure hope you can do better than that for IAEP. You must make them proud
As you can see on this thread, there is reverence for soldiers. If you have not been able to grasp that after the countless posts, you will likely not comprehend what has been said here. I would suggest a history lesson. Look back to the post on this forum called "Tim Again?". Play with my money has made a most dramatic and compelling statement that clearly defines a major issue facing us. The thread was started September 13th.
This will be the last time I post this. The members of this union have rejected the association called NEMSA. It is clear by the vote that they did not prescribe to their ways of operation. This union will elect its E-board, including its president.
Although I must admit I am mildly entertained by the comments of two NEMSA die-hards on here that continue to refer to me as the president of this union. It is clear that the thought of me being president intimidates them to no end, thus the continued attacks. If they felt I was truly not of leadership quality, they wouldn't mutter a word and hope, for the sake of degrading this union, that I would become president.
Your continued attacks against me do not sway me, they only serve as fuel.
We will be meeting AMR management formally for the first time as IAEP on Monday. I probably will not be able to be there since I am scheduled for CCT. This I know: there will be any number of people there from IAEP who will make a great president. IAEP will be professionally represented by many individuals, from many different counties, with or without me. So please, continue to focus your targets on me, while IAEP grows around you.
The information found on the post that started this thread was taken from a highly liberal website that is known for it's dislike of anything and everything pertaining to Christianity and anyone Conservative. I have researched and found no such directive issued by the United States Military. Further more In Touch Ministries lists no information on their website. Often times Religous organizations will send devotional materials with care packages so that the reciepient might have access to religious literature while they are away from home. Most of the groups that send pamphlets will steer clear of any topics potentially controversial so as to minister to all faiths. Specific materials related to a specific faith can usually only be obtained by special request or directly from the soldiers family. But on a personal note I understand that indeed our military needs our prayers and they have mine. But it also makes sense that they would pray that their boss, the commander and chief is kept well and that the decisions that he makes and that those around him make are in the best intrest of the military personnel in Iraq and for the Iraqy people.
quote: Originally posted by: The Rat Killer "You are mocking U.S. Soldiers Dying on the battlefield, You IAEP piece of Sh*t. Iaep does not support our troops. They make fun of them. I'm A Vet. I was in Gulf war 1, People dying is your idea of a joke. People are losing their lives ****. You had better hope I dont ever meet up with your sorry ass again. You IAEP people make me sick. "
IAEP/250 liberal pukes. You'd suck off saddam and osama if you had half a chance. But no instead you suck off Dan and Sal, or each other...... isn't that the 250 way
quote: Originally posted by: Paramaniac "This will be the last time I post this. The members of this union have rejected the association called NEMSA. It is clear by the vote that they did not prescribe to their ways of operation. This union will elect its E-board, including its president. Although I must admit I am mildly entertained by the comments of two NEMSA die-hards on here that continue to refer to me as the president of this union. It is clear that the thought of me being president intimidates them to no end, thus the continued attacks. If they felt I was truly not of leadership quality, they wouldn't mutter a word and hope, for the sake of degrading this union, that I would become president. Your continued attacks against me do not sway me, they only serve as fuel. We will be meeting AMR management formally for the first time as IAEP on Monday. I probably will not be able to be there since I am scheduled for CCT. This I know: there will be any number of people there from IAEP who will make a great president. IAEP will be professionally represented by many individuals, from many different counties, with or without me. So please, continue to focus your targets on me, while IAEP grows around you. Thank you, Rod Billings Shop Steward, IAEP, AMR CoCo Operations-- Edited by Paramaniac at 23:45, 2004-10-15"
It's my sincere hope AMR meets with IAEP and openly deals with bargaining unit issues. I hope the meeting is nice and peaceful and many things get accomplished.
I see that you obvoiusly need more FUEL, since you can't make it to Labor/ Management.
Ah... yes..... Rod the vote is sooooo clear... you idiot
You have got to be the dumbest, most transparent spineless freak breathing
quote: Originally posted by: monster365 "IAEP/250 liberal pukes. You'd suck off saddam and osama if you had half a chance. But no instead you suck off Dan and Sal, or each other...... isn't that the 250 way"
I find it funny that a post about soldiers turned into a NEMSA name calling thread. It makes me sick. I wasnt going to post on this thread cause its something that is very dear to my heart but when the name calling started i felt like i needed to. My fiance died over in Iraq for us. This thread was about those soldier not NEMSA or IAEP lets give respect where respect is due and leave the name calling for other places.
quote: Originally posted by: dawn "I find it funny that a post about soldiers turned into a NEMSA name calling thread. It makes me sick. I wasnt going to post on this thread cause its something that is very dear to my heart but when the name calling started i felt like i needed to. My fiance died over in Iraq for us. This thread was about those soldier not NEMSA or IAEP lets give respect where respect is due and leave the name calling for other places. "
I am sure that I am speaking for NEMSA as well as IAEP/250 when I express all of our thanks and deepest condolences for the sacrifice that you and yours has made in our name.
I see now how trivial this bickering has become. Sorry it hurt you. I think I need a little brake from this mess.
because it can obviously be interpreted in a number of unforvorable ways and I dont like to leave my posts open to that much interpretation. It is interesting to me that when the Tim B letter came out all of you NEMSA supporters defended his right to talk about assaulting people with knives, anally raping people with processed meat products, and chokeing and killing children, but as soon as you can spin an IAEP supporters comments in a negative light its "Indefensible". The defense for this post is based on how you interpret its message, there was only one way to interpret Tims letter because it was about as unmbigous as you get. And yet all of you thought it was appropriate to defend him. I would not make a post like the one you see above but I also do not think it is "mocking" the loss of life that war requires.
