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A Great Start


Everyone,


We kicked off writing our By-Laws in Stanislaus County today. First, I would like to thank all of the Stanislaus leaders that showed up today. The productivity, thoughtfullness, and intelligence shown by Stanislaus' leaders was INCREDIBLE!! These people came well prepared, had a list of things that they wanted to see changed, and made strides to see that very thing happen. I will grant you that the changes they wanted were because of the perceived shortcomings of SEIU Local 250. There is nothing wrong with that. It is not a perfect organization, and Stanislaus is helping to ensure that this union will be better. Thanks fellas!! That was a giant kickstart!! For me personally, it was a great learning experience. I was also equally impressed with the gung-ho attitude that the stewards showed. Just as promised, the individuals that showed up today are part of the By-Laws cmte, simply because they showed up; it just so happens their contribution was well beyond what we had hoped for. Again, please check both the previous thread with dates and times for a By-Laws meeting in your area, and check your mail. Hopefully all of you have received IAEP mailings through snail-mail as well.


Come Monday, we will have our first Core Labor with AMR. AMR has opened their welcoming mat and we look forward to forging a relationship with AMR management that is beneficial for both sides.


I am also glad to see the IAEP supporters on this site not engaging in some of the really inappropriate commentary that is being provided by NEMSA. That type of language is completely unnecessary. It's only intent is to stick a carrot in front of your face in hopes you will take the lower path they have already chosen to go.


We are up and running folks, we will stay the course, despite the hurdles ahead.


I managed to get through most of the posts on here, although many were immediately dismissed due to vulgarity. There has been some posts insinuating that in CoCo, our only focus is to usher in another private provider. That is simply a lie being spread by NEMSA. I have posted both on here and NEMSA's message forum our situation in CoCo as it relates to the RFP in minute detail. I have no intention of doing it again. But, the potential bidders outside of AMR have their hands full and they know it. AMR has a great track record in CoCo because of the hard-working EMT's that see to it we make compliance month after month, year after year. AMR has made great strives to be active in our local community and also play active roles in local politics. Their record stands on its own. I look forward to the Bidders Presentation meeting, because I know our members are going to benefit from the natural process of competition. The IAEP has chosen its representative to the RFP Board, who has committed himself to ensuring that he makes his decisions based on the overall desires of the field and no one else. The IAEP has also made contact with several of the potential bidders, with no one particular bidder being shown any favoritism whatsoever.


Thank you,


Rod Billings


Shop Steward, IAEP


 



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I'm very glad to hear that something productive happened somewhere.


Sorry maniac for my posts, I just fell to the low level of NEMSA.  I've always been drawn toward trouble.


Good luck and keep up the good work.



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Thanks for the update Rod, I look forward to meeting you tomorrow.

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Forfend,


You don't need to apologize to me. I know this forum can be frustrating.


Snake!! I want a full surf report before I leave!! It's too bad I gotta drive back to Vacaville tomorrow, otherwise I say boys night out!!


 



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Originally posted by: Paramaniac

"Everyone, We kicked off writing our By-Laws in Stanislaus County today. First, I would like to thank all of the Stanislaus leaders that showed up today. The productivity, thoughtfullness, and intelligence shown by Stanislaus' leaders was INCREDIBLE!! These people came well prepared, had a list of things that they wanted to see changed, and made strides to see that very thing happen. I will grant you that the changes they wanted were because of the perceived shortcomings of SEIU Local 250. There is nothing wrong with that. It is not a perfect organization, and Stanislaus is helping to ensure that this union will be better. Thanks fellas!! That was a giant kickstart!! For me personally, it was a great learning experience. I was also equally impressed with the gung-ho attitude that the stewards showed. Just as promised, the individuals that showed up today are part of the By-Laws cmte, simply because they showed up; it just so happens their contribution was well beyond what we had hoped for. Again, please check both the previous thread with dates and times for a By-Laws meeting in your area, and check your mail. Hopefully all of you have received IAEP mailings through snail-mail as well. Come Monday, we will have our first Core Labor with AMR. AMR has opened their welcoming mat and we look forward to forging a relationship with AMR management that is beneficial for both sides. I am also glad to see the IAEP supporters on this site not engaging in some of the really inappropriate commentary that is being provided by NEMSA. That type of language is completely unnecessary. It's only intent is to stick a carrot in front of your face in hopes you will take the lower path they have already chosen to go. We are up and running folks, we will stay the course, despite the hurdles ahead. I managed to get through most of the posts on here, although many were immediately dismissed due to vulgarity. There has been some posts insinuating that in CoCo, our only focus is to usher in another private provider. That is simply a lie being spread by NEMSA. I have posted both on here and NEMSA's message forum our situation in CoCo as it relates to the RFP in minute detail. I have no intention of doing it again. But, the potential bidders outside of AMR have their hands full and they know it. AMR has a great track record in CoCo because of the hard-working EMT's that see to it we make compliance month after month, year after year. AMR has made great strives to be active in our local community and also play active roles in local politics. Their record stands on its own. I look forward to the Bidders Presentation meeting, because I know our members are going to benefit from the natural process of competition. The IAEP has chosen its representative to the RFP Board, who has committed himself to ensuring that he makes his decisions based on the overall desires of the field and no one else. The IAEP has also made contact with several of the potential bidders, with no one particular bidder being shown any favoritism whatsoever. Thank you, Rod Billings Shop Steward, IAEP  "

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HAHAHA Rat Killer you are so funny and so right on! We totally shouldn't be attending any meetings or posting any updates on here about them! Jeez you are such a genious! The only question in my mind is why aren't you president? I totally agree, it is really lame of Rod to be attending any meetings. What really gets me is how he actually has the nerve to come on here and post in detail what happened at the meetings. Personaly I would much rather be left out of the loop, and have no clue what is going on. I mean after all, these meetings weren't put together so that people would actually go to them right? I mean if NEMSA had won there wouldn't have been these so called "meetings" that people would actually go to so that they could have input into their union right? I mean Torren would just be making all the decisions and then hopefully not letting us know about them. I am now begining to see that NEMSA really would have been better! I mean Torren making all the decisions for us, not telling whats going on, that just leaves more time for people like Medic One and Vernon to check out internet porn! And they've got broadband so now they're saving even more time!

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Sorry RK, you have this union mixed up with NEMSA. The members will decide for themselves who their president will be. If you wish to discuss your concerns of self-appointed presidents, then I suggest you email Torren Colcord of NEMSA. There was only one person involved in that decision, and it wasn't you.


 


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Just wanted to say thanks to all of the AMR leaders in Monterey and Santa Cruz for another great day.


Santa Clara, it's your turn. Stanislaus made great progress, and now it's time for you to take a crack at it. 


 


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Keep up the productive work.

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Originally posted by: Paramaniac

"Sorry RK, you have this union mixed up with NEMSA. The members will decide for themselves who their president will be. If you wish to discuss your concerns of self-appointed presidents, then I suggest you email Torren Colcord of NEMSA. There was only one person involved in that decision, and it wasn't you.   Thank you, Rod Billings Shop Steward, IAEP"

Did the members choose IAEP? Did the members decide who's going to occupy the 4th seat on the national NAGE Board? Did the members petition to decertify Local 250? Were the members told they would lose their benefits if they voted against 250? Was the service agreement voted on by the members? Is this transfer of membership legal? Just wondering ROD

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Good attempt to distract, but as usual, you folks from NEMSA cannot acknowledge nor give a direct answer.


Who voted Torren Colcord as president of NEMSA? No one. He was self-appointed, the same exact point you keep throwing at IAEP. Why is it you can't/won't acknowledge that?


I am not going to sit here and re-debate these issues with someone who is a coward and repeatedly refuses to identify him/herself. If you feel so strongly and sure about your cause, why do you, and the other NEMSA die-hards, hide your identity?


I will, however, answer to the best of my knowledge the new assertions. No one has made any decions or appointments to NAGE - if you understood unions and representation, then you would understand the foundations of that union, after its most important assets (its members), is to establish a Const and By-laws and elect an EBoard. This comes before anything else.


The rest of your questions have been answered a thousand times, both on this forum, the NEMSA forum, and during live debates. Those arguments are over. NEMSA has made its objections to the NLRB, therefore we will all wait for their answer. End of story. Your only purpose here is to attempt to drag us into your mudpit. Well, no thanks, we've got a very busy itinerary and have better things to do with our time.


Rod Billings


 



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Rod, I’ll answer your question yet again for zillionth time. Torren is not self appointed, He started NEMSA from nothing. Someone has to take the reigns and build the organization. He would be subject to a vote every 3 years to be reaffirmed. You know this, yet you continue to make it some sort of propaganda issue. Now IAEP is not new, the core is not new. 250 is suppose to still be our rep they are not new. There is no reason for any of them to be self-appointing anyone. Can you/will you understand this. You say no one has been appointed. Then what do you call IAEP coming in without a vote from the membership. They started before the vote and they continue without the vote being certified. That means the membership has not been asked if they approve of IAEP being here. 250 simply appointed them to be our reps without asking. Therefore everything they do is illegitimate and unapproved by the membership.



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Then what would you suggest we do, old rhino? Should we just stop all activity and wait for the NLRB?
I know, we could just let NEMSA run the show, even though they lost the vote. Does that sound fair to you?
May be you would like to see us without any representation at all. Sure would teach us a lesson. It would serve us right for not following your secret society.
No, I think you should just complain while everyone else moves on.

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Rod, You really are a rod. You sure are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. When an organization starts it has to have a leader to get going and continue operating. When NEMSA started it had no members, how was anyone suppose to vote to elect Torren. Try using your head for something besides wearing a hat. You dumb Sh*t.



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Well, he did pay for the Hummer. I guess that entitles him to be president.
By the way, NEMSA lost the vote. So, I guess it really does not matter who gets to play Mr. Wizard.

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Aaron,


I want to reiterate a point that I have made in the past. I do appreciate the many points that you have brought up here. You have been, by far, the best representative on behalf of NEMSA on this site. You are the only one willing to put his name next to NEMSA. I didn't appreciate the "Jerry's kids" comment, but we all make our mistakes.


Torren did not start NEMSA from nothing. He did it on the backbone of SEIU. He turned his backs on the very members he now wants to represent. He stole the SEIU phone list, continues to this day to be guilty of dual unionism/secession, and has made some critical errors in NEMSA's campaign to decertify; more specifically, naming lunatic Tim Bonifay as VP, who no one in the field ever respected, and showing wanton extravagance with that ridiculous Hummer. He could have brought the NEMSA Eboard to a vote, including the president's seat. He did not. It was never about representing us, Aaron - it was about his enterprise.


SEIU 250 is not supposed to be our rep, effected 8/20/04.


Aaron, we will honor the message sent by the vote, with the service agreement in place, for everyone to see prior to the vote. That means we are going forward, will build our new local, despite the objections filed by NEMSA. It is the smart thing to do, considering the proximity that faces us to re-negotiating our contract with AMR. The smart thing for you to do is cover your bets, get involved in this union, just in case you are wrong and NEMSA is not granted its wishes. Your suggestion implies that we wait until the NLRB makes it decision. You and I, for the sake of our benefits/pay/retirement, don't have that luxury. You know these objections can drag out for a long time. You are absolutely right, we are going to continue building the local while you continue to file objections. I have seen the objections personally, and I do not believe they have validity, giving me more reason to ensure our representative force is in place well before we go into negotiations.


Thank you,


Rod Billings


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Old Rhino,


Good thing I finally edited this looney post.  Whew!  Guess talking to nemsites can impair judgement.



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Rod,


I like how you simply parrot the 250 talking points. You really should develop some independent thought.


So NEMSA should have had a vote for their executive board?  How is that Rod?  Should the 250 EMS members have voted for NEMSA's E-board?  That would be like the San Mateo and Oak Valley NEMSA members voting for your IAEP board; are you going to allow that?


As to IAEP winning; how many people have to tell you that IAEP was not on the ballot, and the labor board has not certified the election?  250 does not have a majority and the whole thing is headed to another vote.


What is most disturbing Rod is that you have been a shop steward and you do not know this information and you refuse to educate yourself on the law and just take SEIU’s word for it.  It concerns me that I, a rank and file member, with a reading of the NLRA and few phone calls to the NLRB with specific questions, know more than all of you who profess such “expertise” in what is going on.


You have to deal in facts Rod.  Not what you think, but what is fact and what is law.  You know that 250 did not receive a majority and the law states no majority equals a run off.   The law also states that a transfer in representation cannot happen without an NLRB vote with the representative parties appearing on the ballot exactly as they are constituted.  In other words a vote for 250 is not a vote for IAEP.  Those are not made up rules Rod.  That is the law.  You would know that Rod if you would call the NLRB and get the facts instead of listening to Dan Martin and Pinkass.  You would know what the perimeters are for a LEGAL service agreement and that the IAEP/250 agreement does not meet the criteria, but again you don’t find this stuff out because you are only listening to IAEP for your information.  I can see why you wouldn't want to do that though; because if you did you would find out that your bid for IAEP greatness is all in vain.  I hate to break it to you Rod, but your presidential dreams are going to be cut short.


You are way out of your league here Rod.  You and your supporter's inexperience with the NLRB and labor law, compiled with your blind allegiance to an organization that garnered your undying devotions, by merely stroking your egos, is so evident as to destroy all credibility among those that think clearly and are not fooled by the dog and pony show that sucked you in so quick. 


Stick to the facts Rod.  The more you throw unsupported accusation around the more you display your total dependence on SEIU for your thoughts.  It gives light to the reality that you and the others are merely puppets and parrots, void of any fortitude to stand up for the members against IAEP/SEIU or AMR, and that my friend is not going to get you anywhere especially the coveted IAEP presidency that you have given up all principle to achieve.


If any of you IAEP supporters were in reality concerned for the members and not just for power then you would have stood up in the Emeryville meeting, were IAEP was unveiled without the membership, and you would have ensured the other 16 counties were included. But as we clearly have seen, that strong character trait was not found among even one of you.  With this type of already demonstrated history from IAEP and their supporters, why should we expect that you suddenly have the member's best interests in mind?


You can stop the “I want what is best” garbage because your actions speak volumes to the contrary.



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There's not much point in answering most of your accusations, as they have been addressed too many times to count, and the differing points of view are quite clear.


With all of these continued allegations of illegality, which you are sure the NLRB will support, it does strike me as curious that two large unions (250 and IAEP), with attorneys and labor law experience for years, would do something to get their asses sued.


In any event, according to what we've been told is in nemsa's by-laws, it seems that San Mateo and Oak Valley members should be essentially running nemsa now. I wonder if there's a e-board in the making. I wonder if everyone had input via a vote to put forth objections concerning the vote in the CBA that they are not a part of. I wonder if they like how their organization is represented here. Who knows, you guys have stated they could care less about was goes on here because it doesn't concern them. Or, did they vote to pursue organizing us for nemsa? Did they elect you the organizer?



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"Rod, I’ll answer your question yet again for zillionth time. (How many zeros does it take to make a zillion?)Torren is not self appointed, He started NEMSA from nothing.(And NEMSA remains, nothing) Someone has to take the reigns and build the organization.(a business leader, not a president) He would be subject to a vote every 3 years to be reaffirmed.(where are the bylaws that prove every three years you are 'reaffirmed') You know this, yet you continue to make it some sort of propaganda issue.(I don't know this.  Reaffirmed vs re-elected, how does this happen?  Is it based on business acumen or union leadership?) Now IAEP is not new, the core is not new. 250 is suppose to still be our rep they are not new. There is no reason for any of them to be self-appointing anyone. (What are you talking about here?)Can you/will you understand this. (No I don't understand this.)You say no one has been appointed. Then what do you call IAEP coming in without a vote from the membership. (Now this we've gone over a thousand times.  You disagree with the mechanism of "affirmation".)They started before the vote and they continue without the vote being certified. That means the membership has not been asked if they approve of IAEP being here.(IAEP debated NEMSA.  Mailers, phone banking, flyers and reps showered members with information explaining the involvement IAEP would have if 250 was not decertified.) 250 simply appointed them to be our reps without asking. (If they had business acumen?)Therefore everything they do is illegitimate and unapproved by the membership. "(Now is a union a business that can have a business manager build the organization or is it a purely democratic lay industry?  Why you think that this election did not educate or give everyone an opportunity to vote for the service agreement is beyond my comprehension.)



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Hey foreskin and Playing with myself, Did the two of you eat a lot of paint chips as children. The two of you are living proof of why women will never be able to run this country. Foreskin what exactly is an old fashioned fag hag male. You may want to cut back on the drug usage before you post. Most of the Sh*t you write makes absolutely no sense. Obviously, this forum is all you have in your life. Why don’t you try losing some weight, combing your hair and dressing like a woman. Maybe then you could find some guy that will go out with you so you don’t have to live on this message board, writing you stupid assed posts to get attention.



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Aaron,


About a quarter of the way through that, it just sounded like "blah blah blah".


What do you care if I run for president? Why is that so intimidating for you and NEMSA? If you don't like the candidate, then don't vote for them. It is your prerogative, which I find interesting considering no one had any say about NEMSA's structure.


Your question:So NEMSA should have had a vote for their executive board?  How is that Rod?  Should the 250 EMS members have voted for NEMSA's E-board? 


YES!!! How hypocritical of you and NEMSA. You would have been our representative force. I have every right to have a say in who is on that Eboard. I have every right to elect the president of that union. That was simply the most uninformed, thoughtless (with the exception of disrespecting children with Muscular Dystrophy) statement from you yet. This is one of the places where you have failed and why people voted against you. We are going to put the Constitution and By-Laws and the Eboard out to vote, giving you the opportunity to have your say. We were never afforded that kind of involvement with NEMSA, which is why people voted for SEIU with the service agreement with IAEP.


That would be like the San Mateo and Oak Valley NEMSA members voting for your IAEP board; are you going to allow that?


Another really poor point. You are mixing apples and oranges. San Mateo and Oak Valley are not in our bargaining unit. Oak Valley was NEVER in our bargaining unit. EMT's and Paramedics from Medic Ambulance in Solano county are not going to be allowed a say. Flush out your head gear.


250 does not have a majority and the whole thing is headed to another vote


For someone that portrays himself to be up on the NLRA, that was another unfounded and uninformed comment. You have a calculator, do the math. Find out how many votes we need to have the majority. Now consider how many contested votes there were. Now consider the fact that we flat out outvoted you. I like those odds Aaron, how about you?


It concerns me that I, a rank and file member, with a reading of the NLRA and few phone calls to the NLRB with specific questions, know more than all of you who profess such “expertise” in what is going on


Show me one place where anyone has claimed "expertise"? I will readily admit I am not an expert on the NLRA. I have read sections 7, 8, and 9, but that doesn't make me an expert. But, neither are you or Torren. We have lawyers, you have a lawyer, it's in the hands of the NLRB. They will make a ruling. In the meantime, all you plan on doing is being as inflammatory as possible.


I can see why you wouldn't want to do that though; because if you did you would find out that your bid for IAEP greatness is all in vain.  I hate to break it to you Rod, but your presidential dreams are going to be cut short.


Aaron, why are you so intimidated by me? Why cover this subject at all. If we listen to you, then all of our efforts have been for nothing. There would be no reason for you to have to cover this subject over and over and over again.........unless of course..........you are wrong, and that the NLRB does not see things your way. Or, if there is a run-off or another vote, that you would lose that one too. When I see lawyer attached to your name instead of EMT-1, then I'll consider your point of view. in the meantime, it's already in the hands of lawyers, and our time is best spent developing our union.


You are way out of your league here Rod.


You have no leadership qualities whatsoever. You wouldn't know how to lead our folks if it hit you over your head like an anvil. Proof? Every single meeting that you and I both were at, you weren't allowed to talk. YOU DIDN'T TALK!! You just worry about yourself Aaron.


I hate to break it to you Rod, but your presidential dreams are going to be cut short.


At least I am in a position to be president, or at least, a contender, along with many other people from IAEP. You will never be presidential material. Why don't you try sticking to getting the Durango back.


and that my friend is not going to get you anywhere especially the coveted IAEP presidency that you have given up all principle to achieve.


Three times in one post....must be a new NEMSA record.


You can stop the “I want what is best” garbage because your actions speak volumes to the contrary.


Well, I guess I could, but I won't. See, what you and NEMSA have failed to understand that the members that are doing the majority of the work for IAEP are not being compensated, they have not been given any stipends, and have not been promised positions with the IAEP. We ARE doing it for the best of the members. You and Torren have been doing this with the intent of what is best for YOU. I haven't been given a Hummer, or in your case, a Durango. That was quite a nice gift there Aaron, even if you are no longer driving it. For myself, I haven't received one thing from SEIU or the IAEP....EVER! But I do recall spending thousands of dollars in gas alone, with again no compensation. So as far as questioning my intentions versus your intentions, you are way out of your league.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 



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Hey Rat-a-tat-tat,


I can understand you being upset by having to take from Forefend what you dish out. Bullies never like that. At least now we know, from your view, who can not be involved in this labor group: young people can't, newer employees can't, CoCo, Santa Cruz and Monterey can't, employees who have been in trouble with AMR can't, and women can't. Thanks for clearing that up, as you have probably seen the nemsa by-laws and we haven't.



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Dude got a Durango. That would explain the blind loyalty. 
Hay Rhinorocket. How did you and the wizard think this would look to the rest of us? I might have been impressed if I was in High school. It makes me sick to think we came so close to being forced into such a fiscally inept association as NEMSA.
Revote or not, your fate was sealed when you tried to buy the membership with flash instead of substance.

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"Hey Rat-a-tat-tat, I can understand you being upset by having to take from Forefend what you dish out. Bullies never like that. At least now we know, from your view, who can not be involved in this labor group: young people can't, newer employees can't, CoCo, Santa Cruz and Monterey can't, employees who have been in trouble with AMR can't, and women can't. Thanks for clearing that up, as you have probably seen the nemsa by-laws and we haven't.-- Edited by Play with My Money at 17:03, 2004-10-17"

Playing with myself, You IAEP people seem to only remember things that are true for about 5 mins. Foreskin started it with its money shots postings. It was dishing it out before I started posting. Also, dummy I said you two are living proof as to why women would never lead this country. I said nothing about NEMSA or by-laws or other counties. You are living in a state of mind that everything said is in regard to NEMSA. Everytime you take a sh*t you must have to figure out how to spin it to make it NEMSA's fault. Dont you have some chickens to feed or something. I just love your brillant posts of Peck, Peck, Peck. They show the depth of your intelligence. 

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Maybe it's men like you that have caused me to play with myself. So, if a woman isn't fit to run the country, then how could she possibly be fit to run a corporation or a labor organization. Are you saying there must always be oversight from men? Is there any place a woman can be in a leadership role? Nursery school perhaps? I certainly understand that you are trying to send me to my "place" in life.


As far as by-laws and other counties, I was referring to earlier posts by you, greater than 5 minutes ago.



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Rod,


Your reply is so full of crap how about a courtesy flush....Your stinking the place up.


About a quarter of the way through that, it just sounded like "blah blah blah".


Funny that’s exactly how I feel reading your posts.....Usually because your posts involve Rod’s ego talking about how great Rod is.


What do you care if I run for president? Why is that so intimidating for you and NEMSA? If you don't like the candidate, then don't vote for them. It is your prerogative, which I find interesting considering no one had any say about NEMSA's structure.


Rest assured you wont be getting my vote or any other of the 606 that voted for NEMSA


Your question:So NEMSA should have had a vote for their executive board? How is that Rod? Should the 250 EMS members have voted for NEMSA's E-board?


YES!!! How hypocritical of you and NEMSA. You would have been our representative force. I have every right to have a say in who is on that Eboard. I have every right to elect the president of that union. That was simply the most uninformed, thoughtless (with the exception of disrespecting children with Muscular Dystrophy) statement from you yet. This is one of the places where you have failed and why people voted against you. We are going to put the Constitution and By-Laws and the Eboard out to vote, giving you the opportunity to have your say. We were never afforded that kind of involvement with NEMSA, which is why people voted for SEIU with the service agreement with IAEP.


I’m getting sick of the IAEP propaganda bit about kids with MD. I posted a thread to explain what I wrote. You are calling me a liar. How about Nate’s Joke about soldiers dying or Forfend bits about money shots. You forget to mention them. The positions for president and e board are out to a vote every 3 years. But someone had to start this thing. Why can you not understand this point. Also, you lack of knowledge here hurts you. The eboard for NEMSA is not complete there are positions on it to be filled by people from the bargaining unit. So you do get a say. Oh and we did not fail to put out this infomation you failed to hear it because of the IAEP blinders you have on


That would be like the San Mateo and Oak Valley NEMSA members voting for your IAEP board; are you going to allow that?


Another really poor point. You are mixing apples and oranges. San Mateo and Oak Valley are not in our bargaining unit. Oak Valley was NEVER in our bargaining unit. EMT's and Paramedics from Medic Ambulance in Solano county are not going to be allowed a say. Flush out your head gear.


Like I said there are e board seats for the core


250 does not have a majority and the whole thing is headed to another vote


For someone that portrays himself to be up on the NLRA, that was another unfounded and uninformed comment. You have a calculator, do the math. Find out how many votes we need to have the majority. Now consider how many contested votes there were. Now consider the fact that we flat out outvoted you. I like those odds Aaron, how about you?


Fact 250 does not have a majority now. So you won nothing. You know the issues in front of the NLRB. You just might lose the Objections and poof the vote is gone and is done over. You better read up before you call me uninformed


It concerns me that I, a rank and file member, with a reading of the NLRA and few phone calls to the NLRB with specific questions, know more than all of you who profess such "expertise" in what is going on


Show me one place where anyone has claimed "expertise"? I will readily admit I am not an expert on the NLRA. I have read sections 7, 8, and 9, but that doesn't make me an expert. But, neither are you or Torren. We have lawyers, you have a lawyer, it's in the hands of the NLRB. They will make a ruling. In the meantime, all you plan on doing is being as inflammatory as possible.


You just stated to me above I don’t know what I’m talking about. Now you just admitted you don’t know what your talking about. So how can you sit there and say I’m wrong. Yea I’m inflammatory, IAEP has no right to be here.


I can see why you wouldn't want to do that though; because if you did you would find out that your bid for IAEP greatness is all in vain. I hate to break it to you Rod, but your presidential dreams are going to be cut short.


Aaron, why are you so intimidated by me? Why cover this subject at all. If we listen to you, then all of our efforts have been for nothing. There would be no reason for you to have to cover this subject over and over and over again.........unless of course..........you are wrong, and that the NLRB does not see things your way. Or, if there is a run-off or another vote, that you would lose that one too. When I see lawyer attached to your name instead of EMT-1, then I'll consider your point of view. in the meantime, it's already in the hands of lawyers, and our time is best spent developing our union.


What are you afraid of Rod. That I’m hurting your chances to be the great president Billings. IAEP has no right to be here Rod. I’m against developing it because of that reason and the fact that its still SEIU/250/IAEP. So they are going to screw us anyway. Do you really believe you are making real decisions. They are going to do what ever serves them best they always have


You are way out of your league here Rod.


You have no leadership qualities whatsoever. You wouldn't know how to lead our folks if it hit you over your head like an anvil. Proof? Every single meeting that you and I both were at, you weren't allowed to talk. YOU DIDN'T TALK!! You just worry about yourself Aaron.


Rod, please like you are qualified to lead anyone. You are not even the chief steward in you own county. Your Bill’s puppet. As for your proof. I’ve addressed this once on this forum already. If I’m at a meeting with the president of NEMSA who do you think people want to hear from me or him. Gee I seem to remember having a conversation with you after a meeting in CoCo. If I’m just worrying about myself Rod why would I have talked to you after the meeting


I hate to break it to you Rod, but your presidential dreams are going to be cut short.


At least I am in a position to be president, or at least, a contender, along with many other people from IAEP. You will never be presidential material. Why don't you try sticking to getting the Durango back.


Rod, I would not want a leadership postion with IAEP. Their system is bound to fail. I’m not taking the responsibility for it. I’m not going to go to my people and take the blame for IAEP screwing them over. Also, mr lack of knowledge the drango was passed around to many NEMSA supporter to drive in their counties. For advertizement purposes. The Drango was never mine or will it ever be mine.


and that my friend is not going to get you anywhere especially the coveted IAEP presidency that you have given up all principle to achieve.


Three times in one post....must be a new NEMSA record.


Well it seems to be the only reason for you to be blindly following IAEP. You think they are going to give you power.


You can stop the "I want what is best" garbage because your actions speak volumes to the contrary.


Well, I guess I could, but I won't. See, what you and NEMSA have failed to understand that the members that are doing the majority of the work for IAEP are not being compensated, they have not been given any stipends, and have not been promised positions with the IAEP. We ARE doing it for the best of the members. You and Torren have been doing this with the intent of what is best for YOU. I haven't been given a Hummer, or in your case, a Durango. That was quite a nice gift there Aaron, even if you are no longer driving it. For myself, I haven't received one thing from SEIU or the IAEP....EVER! But I do recall spending thousands of dollars in gas alone, with again no compensation. So as far as questioning my intentions versus your intentions, you are way out of your league.


You where all compensated by 250 to support IAEP. What do you think loss time is. Your being an idiot Rod, nobody gave me a Durango, In fact I had to pay for all the gas that went in to it. Hardly a gift, Rod. You should not talk about things that you have absolutely no proof are true. Then again lying to people seems to be an IAEP's specialty. You just might make a great IAEP president after all



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Aaron,


Sorry.....But I spent about as much time on your last post as scrolling through it would allow.


If you don't like our stances, then why do you spend so much time here. It won't distract us. We'll sift through your ugliness, including the other two ridiculously immature individuals that accompany you here, but you will not stand in our way. This union moves forward, with the needs and desires of all our members guiding the way. This union becomes stronger with every passing moment. If you don't like it, then stop coming here, it is obviously really getting to you and your two bookends.


 



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The two of you are living proof of why women will never be able to run this country.........Rat Killer


Why don’t you try losing some weight, combing your hair and dressing like a woman..........Rat Killer


Maybe it's men like you that have caused me to play with myself..........Erin


 


<lmao> Erin, that was classic!!!<shaking head> Safe to say that NEMSA has no regard for the women of AMR, EMS, or anywhere for that matter.


 



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Rodney, Rodney, Rodney,


So now you admit your bid to be president.  Like I said in my very first post on this forum.  You denied it.  You are going to nursing school.  You are way too busy.  Well well look who was right.


You amaze me.  You did not address even one of Rhino's points that totally smoked you.  You lack the competence Rod.  If you had a clue you would know that you have absolutely NO right what so ever to vote on an e-board of a union or association that you do not belong to. 


That fact remains Rod:  You don't know the law; you have not been involved in a single negotiation; you have never attended a core labor management meeting in the 8 years that they have been happening.


You like all the others have no idea what you are doing and are just following Pinkass around like lost puppies.


I am just thankful that the law is crystal clear and that you and IAEP and 250 will be going away very soon.  In the mean time have fun trying to be king.


 



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