I knew if we waited long enough the truth would come out about L250 giving us to IAEP. Well it finally has.
Prior to this whole decert vote mess L250 had a habit of bad mouthing IAEP every chance they got. They hated IAEP. They wanted to take over IAEP’s locals and always pointed out how inferior IAEP was to L250. They would not have let a dog join IAEP. Then all of a sudden 2 weeks before the vote they give us to IAEP and started saying they are the next best thing since sliced white bread. This confused many of us because we knew L250 hated IAEP. Then we thought Momma SEIU fearing a loss of the bargaining unit after the San Mateo vote, decided we needed to be IAEP to save the unit. That was wrong as well. Well the truth has finally come out. L250 was paid by SEIU to make the deal. L250 is merging with SEIU L399. That is their payment from Momma SEIU for agreeing to give up its EMS division. L250 tried to make us think they where being noble and doing the right thing for us by giving us to IAEP. When actually they where getting paid to do it and the price was giving 250 Local 399. The deal was you give IAEP your EMS division and we will give you Local 399. Giving L250 the largest group of LVN’s in California. You where traded like a commodity, IAEP being a better union for you had nothing to do with it. Your best interests had nothing to do with it. It was just another SEIU/250/IAEP scam. All the groups benefitted but us. L250 got more LVN’s and hospital workers(More Dues), IAEP got more EMS personnel(More Dues), and 399 got a larger group to support their LVN’s and hospital workers(More Political Support). We just got screwed and sent to an inferior union. Local 250 must be having a big laugh at our expense, knowing they screwed us in the end.
Like, the 250 399 merge has been years in the making. It didn't just happen after little nemsa came along.
Please do more appropriate homework before you misinform people. I am not even involved to any level with the union but, I do have friends in Southern California that are members of L399. The whole arguement for the past "years" has been what number to call themselves. Ego will never disband. Now if SEIU gave over 399 to 250, they could add 11 to that number and be all up in your face calling themselves Local 660. OOOOh what a burn, what a cut, stick your finger up your butt. (no money shots for rhino rocket)
And that scam thing, you know, like, the whole concept of each local will represent a profession, what a crime. It is long overdue that each union local have the special interests of the profession(such as EMS in IAEP).
Where is the corruption? The only place where it has smelled bad is in the NEMSA camp.
John Greene told us about the whole specializing unions deal way before IAEP came on the scene. Why don't you ask him and let his credibility explain it to you.
If it was talked about for years, which I’m sure it was by L250, why did it just now happen. It would have made sense to do it long ago. But, now it just magically happens right after L250 gives away its EMS division. Coincidence, I don’t think so.
Makes sense to me Rhino. The SEIU bitches have been screwing us for years. To bad the IAEP supporting dumba**es cant pull their heads out long enough to see it.
Could you give me some facts that will back your assertion that IAEP is inferior. For that matter, give me some facts on how NEMSA is superior. I think you already know that I will not take your word for it.
I don't know what it is that you think you'll find Aaron... but by all means.. keep digging...What is it that you always say... something about the fact that you have all this knowledge about how the labor law and unions work.. and yet you actually think that a deal like this could take place over night??? that's funny.
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Twist and shout, another nemsa spin twist. And you guys say you got your facts straight. This is so ridiculous, the particulars had been getting ironed out for a year, and the leader of CNA (oh my God, an incompetent woman) announced the successful merger, and that CNA would be working cooperatively with 250, last JUNE.
I guess conspiracy theories are o.k. for you guys to use. Let me remind you of how you thought our EMS Division was "insignificant" to mean anything to AMR/Laidlaw. Now we are so important (what was that insignificant percent we contributed to SEIU again?) that large unions would merge just to get us into IAEP!!! Good Grief.
Originally posted by: Clear_my_side "I don't know what it is that you think you'll find Aaron... but by all means.. keep digging...What is it that you always say... something about the fact that you have all this knowledge about how the labor law and unions work.. and yet you actually think that a deal like this could take place over night??? that's funny."
Amy, I have never claimed to know all about labor law or unions.....I simply report what I have found out.....When something seems wrong I look into it. That does not mean I know everything....Plus, I never said this deal happened overnight. If you read my prior post you would know that I stated that I’m sure 250 had been thinking of this for awhile. They have probably tried to make this happen for sometime with no success from SEIU. Then all of a sudden SEIU was in trouble and forced to make a deal with all the parties
"If it was talked about for years, which I’m sure it was by L250, why did it just now happen." mmmmmmmmmm................................................................ then what are you complaining about exactly with starting a post like this if you were "sure 250 had been thinking of this for awhile. They have probably tried to make this happen for sometime... Exactly what are you getting at?? Report what you find.... your research skills are slipping if you just uncovered this bit of info
" I have never claimed to know all about labor law or unions"... mmm.. with the way you patronize and harass and go on and on about all that is wrong and illegal about IAEP and SEIU. you'd think you'd at least know SOMETHING and be able to back it all up.. I guess all that you post really is all fiction/opinion and no fact... thanks for clearing that up.
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"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
quote: Originally posted by: Play with My Money "Twist and shout, another nemsa spin twist. And you guys say you got your facts straight. This is so ridiculous, the particulars had been getting ironed out for a year, and the leader of CNA (oh my God, an incompetent woman) announced the successful merger, and that CNA would be working cooperatively with 250, last JUNE. I guess conspiracy theories are o.k. for you guys to use. Let me remind you of how you thought our EMS Division was "insignificant" to mean anything to AMR/Laidlaw. Now we are so important (what was that insignificant percent we contributed to SEIU again?) that large unions would merge just to get us into IAEP!!! Good Grief."
Why would CNA be announcing the merger of 2 SEIU locals. Ok, you say that CNA agreed to work cooperatively with 250 last June......Humm, That was way after NEMSA arrived, perhaps SEIU saw the writing on the wall about 250 losing its EMS division by then and gave the green light for the deal and the merger. Its only just coming to light now, who knows how long ago they planned this deal between SEIU/250/IAEP. It could have been in the works anytime after NEMSA arrived. Plus, I’m hearing that CNA is not to happy with SEIU right now. Things may have changed since CNA announce their cooperation. I’m looking into that right now, I’ll let you know what I find Out. Perhaps 250 lied about the terms of the merger.
"I have given my word to Amy, Aultum that if they get over 75 signatures that I will with drawl my petition. " Carlos 10/6 "I will not pull the petition. " Carlos 10/10
Aaron, there is nothing new about 250/399. This has nothing to do with their merger. It has everything to do with the members' desires to be represented by their fellow EMS professional. The only thing that is new here is you being informed about it today.
If there was one positive thing that came out of the decert attempt, is that people wanted a change in the manner of their representation. They got the change they asked for.
Sorry, had a call. I love the "hmmmm", I think Clear My Side is having an affect on you. My grammatical error, CNA didn't announce the merger, but acknowledged it in her speech when she spoke of cooperation, which wasn't agreed upon in June, but announced in June.
In any event, you know I love conspiracy theories; but, on this issue I think you're suffering from egomania. Didn't you always complain that SEIU was too hospital focused? This has been going on a long while.
quote: Originally posted by: Forfend "Earth to rhino rocket, Like, the 250 399 merge has been years in the making. It didn't just happen after little nemsa came along. Please do more appropriate homework before you misinform people. I am not even involved to any level with the union but, I do have friends in Southern California that are members of L399. The whole arguement for the past "years" has been what number to call themselves. Ego will never disband. Now if SEIU gave over 399 to 250, they could add 11 to that number and be all up in your face calling themselves Local 660. OOOOh what a burn, what a cut, stick your finger up your butt. (no money shots for rhino rocket) And that scam thing, you know, like, the whole concept of each local will represent a profession, what a crime. It is long overdue that each union local have the special interests of the profession(such as EMS in IAEP). Where is the corruption? The only place where it has smelled bad is in the NEMSA camp."
Audra.. tell us more about the secret dealings for 250? you seem to have the inside track.
Tell the members how 250 intended on trading us to IAEP years ago...... ooops, can't talk about that right?
psst...... lose weight It will help withn your poor self esteem.
Your continued degrading of Audra and others only proves of your ignorance. I was trying to give you and Rat Killer a chance to see if their was any way you two could even fathom an intelligent conversation. Apparently, the only thing that can keep you guys occupied is the total disrespect of your proposed idea of over weight women.
Atleast there is some intelligent discourse that comes from Vernon. I know he is angry with the Union and what has happened. Yes, he get's out of hand, but not EVERYTHING that comes from his posts are continual put-downs of certain people, only IAEP in general.
I know that you do not care what I think. I am also sure that you will post something to the effect that I am a "dumb a**," or perhaps a "Fu**ing Pu**y." I just hope that you do not show this such disrespect and total disillusion to your patients.
I wish that you nemsites could come up with something more clever than "lose weight". Now, are you going to prove that illicit activity took place in order to get L399 and L250 to merge?
And what really p*sses me off is that I specifically said to ask John Greene. Nobody has shared his personal credibility with us. Now, go do your homework, John is totally on your side now so he should be willing to give you all the information that he passed on to our county last summer. Have a nice day.
Oh yeah, I'm not Audra and I don't know the inner workings of L250.
This calling of the "women" involved here "fat", "unkempt" and "ho's", is really amusing me. I wish I knew who this person is, who is regularly throwing these comments. I would wager there is a big belly reflected in the mirror. I've observed a number of unfit men, with no style or attempt at grooming (acknowledging that EMS fatigue contributes to this), will feel at total liberty to diss on woman who don't look anorexic with two falsies defying gravity. There's a lack of wanting to deal with a real woman and her perspectives, in favor of a comic book mindless creation. This fantasy would mean less work in the relationship.
Obviously, past posts, greater than five minutes ago, are not retained in this aforementioned brain. Forefend is obviously an EMS old-timer. People outside this world are incapable of making such harsh assessments, with no concern for what other's might think of them. Plus, they sting of EMS humor and cynicism. That's why I've always seen the truth and humor in the "awful" comment made by a 250 staffer, that was stated by nemsa supporters to be in reference to "all" of EMS, that we are "arrogant, aloof, and non-conformists".
quote: Originally posted by: Play with My Money "This calling of the "women" involved here "fat", "unkempt" and "ho's", is really amusing me. I wish I knew who this person is, who is regularly throwing these comments. I would wager there is a big belly reflected in the mirror. I've observed a number of unfit men, with no style or attempt at grooming (acknowledging that EMS fatigue contributes to this), will feel at total liberty to diss on woman who don't look anorexic with two falsies defying gravity. There's a lack of wanting to deal with a real woman and her perspectives, in favor of a comic book mindless creation. This fantasy would mean less work in the relationship. Obviously, past posts, greater than five minutes ago, are not retained in this aforementioned brain. Forefend is obviously an EMS old-timer. People outside this world are incapable of making such harsh assessments, with no concern for what other's might think of them. Plus, they sting of EMS humor and cynicism. That's why I've always seen the truth and humor in the "awful" comment made by a 250 staffer, that was stated by nemsa supporters to be in reference to "all" of EMS, that we are "arrogant, aloof, and non-conformists"."
Forfend is a socal newbie that sprung from dirt. I still like your "take the money and run" signature... perfect 250 /IAEP lover. Well, freak my posts reflect the shallow mud slinging crap you and you pycho buddies seem to like and seem to post all the time. The obvious ecscapes you blinded goons EVERYTIME.
Look around this board and tell me you, and forskin and the rest of you disillusioned goat chasers have done better.
that's funny.
Ohhh.. that's right.. you have proof.. I forgot. 
